welcome back to the david adventure welcome back to the struggle for the
beginning to show i was in washington d_c_ over the weekend and i saw bunch of
people including j tomlinson festival of podcast and one of the conversations we
got into j tomlinson and uh... the young turks marketing director air why sake
and myself
was that j mentioned on his show he had had a conversation about polygamy
and we weakest kind of started talking about uh... the issue
and jay said you know
is there really a progressive argument against polygamy if it's consenting
adults
are we really making the same arguments that are made against gay marriage
against polygamy and is there really had this isn't the stupid like a people
gonna marry animals animals obviously can't consent or people going to marry
children if gay marriage is legalized children can consent
this is adults
who consent why can't you have
a marriage involving more than two people
i started going through it and i want to have this conversation with you guys
it doesn't seem right or anything along those lines is certainly a moral
judgment and people make moral judgments against
gay marriage all the time and we don't consider those arguments valid it's also
not consider the ballot here
marriage isn't defined that way that even if you say well forget about the
gay marriage part marriages
is is between two consenting adults of any gender
arguments about marriage definition also don't resonate because those are also
often used to prevent
gate marriage marriage equality so maybe we can't use those
uh... so that he will say well
polygamy has been used in cases where people who are under age are are coerced
and under any other spousal abuse under uh... polygamy
but does exist a monogamous relationships as well
and we're not looking to outloud outlaw those relationships either
what what is the are you know i mean i started thinking another guy who is up
into polygamy you know what i think that uh... the the mormon church is
uh...
up officially they're against that but the history of the mormon church with
polygamy i find it to be disturbing and and uh... uh... are not a fan of it but
when you think about it what is eight
progressive argument against polygamy
a progressive argument against polygamy one that does not depend on the same
types of arguments that the right makes against gay marriage
i can think of what the problem at the time
are it's hard for me to think of what would constitute a progressive arguable
i have a couple
problems with this like i have no personal problem with that except if we
talk about two things one is adultery so for example adultery is something that
legally
canned favor of party the one that was the victim of it
in a divorce lawsuit okay stop right there one address that this is the same
argument that some people make which is listen
things like inheritance and child custody
and adultery right those are issues
logistical complications we're having a discussion of whether we think that this
is this is uh... uh... something we can be four against
logistical complications are not a good real now before against moneyline's by
what i mean the one we talk about same sex equality
same sex marriage equality
worth talking about plying the exact same sets of rules that are now applied
to heterosexual couples
to same sex couples ok what we're talking about this we would actually
have to apply it to you from rules because of dole three is something that
has legal standing in alaska and it would have it would basically have to be
that when you get married in a polygamous scenario your socially for
putting that as a potential future reason for divorce okay so let's say
four fit
on saying is that its
it's difficult to talk about this in terms of equality the way we talk about
same sex marriage because you would action to make it work
you have to apply different rules the other thing would be what about the
children
you could do worse there are anti-gay yet there are anti-gay activists that
uh... the trident nino they cite bogus studies that say that children the
homosexual couples that are adopted or or whatever
uh... have you know
worse outcomes for whatever which we know is bogus
but let's say a study came out that said that it isn't
specifically relating the polygamous marriage right with that change whether
we should sanction it
uh...
no i don't think self-confident killed ronald polygamous marriages are
ten times more likely
to commit um... robberies for example i'm just making it up yet
you that would have absolutely no effect on your position whether that should be
legal i think
my instinct is to say it would lewis but when i really think about what what are
the structures by which i i've determined that marriage equality for
gay and lesbian couples is okay
um... i think i would i would have to say that can't really be the deciding
factor as to whether it's legal or not are not by again
i am not four polygamy are anything but i'm so i think what is really the
progressive argument against that and i'm not sure yeah i i can't think of a
progressive argument
against that i can't think of army nad and against it in general because i
think people can there we have no marriage you've gotten over fifty
percent yet this divorce rebellious justin's and has not yet the mess that
this would create which would be insane but progressive argument yeah can think
of it