THE POLICY DECISION.
I’M NOT AT LIBERTY TO SAY RIGHT
NOW.
>> Kelly Anne: SO AS THE JOE AND
HUNTER BIDEN SCANDAL DEEPENS AND
WIDENS, WHAT SHOULD WE MAKE OF
THE NEW ALLEGATIONS?
JOINING US NOW TO ANSWER THE
QUESTIONS AND MORE, FOX NEWS
CONTRIBUTOR AND GEORGE
WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY LAW
PROFESSOR, JONATHAN TURLEY.
PROFESSOR TURLEY, WELCOME TO THE
SHOW.
I FEEL LIKE THERE’S A LOT OF
NEWS AROUND HUNTER BIDEN IN
PARTICULAR THIS WEEK AND OF
COURSE THIS IS A HUNTER BIDEN
AND JOE BIDEN AS I CALL IT
SCANDAL.
WALK US THROUGH WHAT STRUCK YOU.
WHAT SHOULD WE BE LOOKING FOR?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A
CITY THAT FLOATS ON LEAKS.
THERE’S A LOT OF THINGS THAT
COME OVER THE TRANSOM.
SO YOU OFTEN HAVE TO MAKE SORT
OF A GUT CHECK ON HOW MUCH
CREDIBILITY AND WEIGHT TO GIVE
SOMETHING.
ON THAT SCALE THE TYPES OF
STORIES I GIVE THE MOST WEIGHT
TO ARE THE ONES FROM
WHISTLE-BLOWERS DIRECTLY TO
CONGRESS.
THE REASON IS THAT THOSE ARE
INDIVIDUALS THAT KNOW THAT THEY
CAN BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED FOR
LYING TO INVESTIGATORS.
SO THIS ISN’T JUST SOMETHING
COMING OVER THE TRANSOM TO "THE
WASHINGTON POST."
IT’S NOT SOME ANONYMOUS SOURCE
THAT A REPORTER IS CITING.
IT’S SOMEONE WHO HAS MET WITH
INVESTIGATORS, THE SUBJECT OF
THE PENALTY.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
THERE’S A SHARP DISCONNECT.
WE HAD A WHISTLE-BLOWER IN THE
FIRST TRUMP IMPEACHMENT.
THE MEDIA WENT FULL BOARD IN TO
THIS STORY.
THEY’RE HAVING MORE SKEPTICISM
HERE.
WE HAVE TO LEARN THE DETAILS.
ONE OF THE REASONS, KELLYANNE,
THIS IS SO SERIOUS BECAUSE OF
WHAT WE KNOW ALREADY.
THE BIDEN FAMILY HAS BEEN KNOWN
FOR INFLUENCE PEDALS FOR YEARS.
INFLUENCE PEDALLING IS A COTTAGE
INDUSTRY OF WASHINGTON AS YOU
KNOW.
BUT THE BIDENS REALLY SET A NEW
STANDARD IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH
MONEY IS BEING TRACED TO FAMILY
MEMBERS.
>> Kelly Anne: THERE’S NO
QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
CHAIRMAN COMER IS DOING A
FABULOUS JOB IN AT LEAST KEEPING
US ALL UP TO SPEED ON WHAT HE
CAN WITHOUT DIVULGING
CONFIDENCES.
STRUCK ME, PROFESSOR TURLEY,
THAT HUNTER BIDEN HIRED A NEW
LAWYER AND RUFFLED FEATHERS AT
THE WHITE HOUSE.
SHE’S MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN THE
OTHER LAWYERS THAT WERE PUT
TOGETHER FOR HUNTER BIDEN.
KEVIN CORKE IS REPORTING THAT
THE AXIOS REPORT MAKES CLEAR,
CLASHES AND THEY’RE UPSET.
THE WHITE HOUSE NEEDS TO
RE-ELECT AN UNPOPULAR VICE
PRESIDENT.
THEY DON’T NEED HUNTER BIDEN’S
SCANDALS IN THE WAY.
TELL US WHAT YOU THINK OF THE
HIRING ABBY LOWELL AND HOW THIS
AFFECTS IT MOVING FORWARD.
>> I KNOW ABBEY.
YOU’RE ONE OF THE MOST
SOPHISTICATED POLITICAL FIGURES
IN THE CITY.
INTERESTING TO GET YOUR TAKE ON
THIS.
I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THE POST
REPORTED A MEETING OF A NEW TEAM
FOR HUNTER BIDEN THAT INCLUDES
PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING
HIM FINANCIALLY.
THE WHOLE THRUST OF THE STORY
WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO
WITH A SCORCHED EARTH CAMPAIGN.
THEY WERE GOING TO GO
AGGRESSIVE.
WHAT WAS WEIRD ABOUT THAT IS IT
HAD TO COME FROM THOSE
INDIVIDUALS.
THIS WAS A LEAK FROM A
RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER OF
PEOPLE.
THEY WANTED WITNESSES TO KNOW
THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO AFTER
WESTBOUNDSES.
ABBEY LOWELL ISSUED A LETTER
SAYING THE IRS SHOULD
INVESTIGATE CRITICS OF HUNTER
BIDEN AND SHOULD BE CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATIONS WITH WITNESSES.
THAT’S GETTING CLOSE TO THE LINE
IF THOSE LAWYERS THEN REACH OUT
TO WITNESSES WITH THAT TYPE OF
HEAVY MESSAGE.
YOU CAN REALLY SORT OF TRIP SOME
WIRES WITH A CONGRESSIONAL
INVESTIGATION IN THE FIELD.
>> Kelly Anne: PROFESSOR TURLEY,
SWITCH GEARS HERE AND GO BACK TO
THIS BOMB SHELL E-MAILS THAT YOU
HAD TWO FORMER CRY A CHIEFS
COLLUDING TO PROVIDE JOE BIDEN
WITH A TALKING POINT FOR A
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.
THE LAST DEBATE LATE OCTOBER
2020 THAT FAMOUS LINE FROM JOE
BIDEN WHERE HE SAYS, TALKING
ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN’S LAPTOP IS
GARBAGE.
HE QUOTES THAT 50 INTEL
OFFICIALS HAVE SAID IT HAS THE
MARKINGS OF RUSSIAN
DISINFORMATION.
WE KNOW THAT THAT IS ALL WRONG
NOW.
IT WAS ALL LIE.
IT STRUCK ME THAT I SAW SPEAKING
OF CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS,
JOHN BRENNAN AND ANOTHER ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO GO AND TESTIFY
IN FRONT OF CONGRESS.
JAMES CLAPPER WILL HAVE TO
TESTIFY IN FRONT OF CONGRESS
ABOUT THE WEAPONIZATION OF THE
GOVERNMENT.
CAN YOU CLUE US IN TO THAT A
LITTLE BIT?
PEOPLE FELT IT WAS UNFAIR BUT
NOW IT HAS SOME LEGS.
>> WELL, IT DOES.
THERE’S A CURIOUS THING ABOUT
THIS LETTER, RIGHT?
WE KNOW IT’S FALSE.
SOON AFTER THIS ALLEGATION CAME
OUT, AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE CAME
OUT WITH A STATEMENT THAT
THERE’S NO EVIDENCE THAT THERE
WAS RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION OR
INTELLIGENCE EFFORTS HERE.
YOU HAD THESE 51 EXPERTS THAT
WANTED TO GET THIS OUT RIGHT
BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN.
NOW WE’RE LEARNING PRETTY MUCH
WHAT WAS PRESUMED THAT THIS WAS
AN EFFORT OF THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN
TO GIVE HIM THIS TALKING POINT
AND EARLIER, AS YOU KNOW, MORREL
SAID THE TRIGGER WAS SECRETARY
OF STATE BLINKEN.
HE GAVE HIM THIS INITIAL
DISINFORMATION LINE.
EVERYONE INVOLVED SAYS THEY DID
NOTHING WRONG.
NOT THE ORGANIZER, MORREL, NOT
THE TRIGGER, BLINKEN, NOT THE
MEDIA THAT RAN WITH IT.
NOBODY IS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY
FOR WHAT WAS JUST A REALLY
UNBELIEVABLE POLITICAL SORT OF
TRICK.
IT SORT OF MAYBE THE PUBLIC LOOK
LIKE CHUMPS BECAUSE IT HAPPENED
BEFORE THE ELECTION AND COULD
HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE.
>> Kelly Anne: PROFESSOR TURLEY,
POLLING SHOWING THAT 17% IN SIX
OR SEVEN SWING KEY STATES WOULD
HAVE CHANGED THEIR VOTE IF THEY
THOUGHT THIS LAPTOP AND ITS
CONTENTS WERE REAL.
THESE FOLKS HIT BY BEHIND
INTELLIGENCE AND NATIONAL
SECURITY TO PROVIDE A TALKING
POINT IN A DEBATE.
THAT E-MAIL MAKES CLEAR.
IT’S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WALKING US
TWO OR THREE VERY THORNY ISSUES