>> Chris: AND WE ARE BACK NOW FROM BEDFORD NEW HAMPSHIRE, JUST
TO GO DAYS BEFORE THE NATIONS
FIRST PRIMARY.
FIRST PRIMARY. WE ARE JOINED BY THE MAN WHO
SHARED TO TOP HONORS IN IOWA,
SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS.
HE IS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL IN
MANCHESTER.
MANCHESTER. A SENATOR, I JUST ASKED
MAYOR BUTTIGIEG ABOUT YOUR
CHARGES ABOUT HIM THAT HE IS
ACCEPTING MONEY FROM
BILLIONAIRES, HE SAYS THE POINT
IS, YOU HAVE TO BUILD A
COALITION, AND ACCEPT MONEY FROM
ALL SOURCES IF YOU’RE GOING TO
BE DONALD TRUMP.
SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU MORE
INTERESTED IN PURITY THEN YOU
ARE AND WINNING?
>> NO, I AM MORE INTERESTED IN
TRANSFORMING THIS COUNTRY, AND
LOWERING THE OUTRAGEOUS COST OF
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, AND MAKING
SURE THAT EVERY AMERICAN HAS
HEALTH CARE AS A HUMAN RIGHT,
NOT A PRIVILEGE, MAKING SURE
THAT OUR KIDS CAN AFFORD TO GO
TO COLLEGE AND NOT LEAVE SCHOOL
DEEPLY IN DEBT.
HERE’S THE PROBLEM, EVERYBODY
KNOWS THIS, WHETHER YOU ARE A
CONSERVATIVE OR PROGRESSIVE.
IT IS THE BILLIONAIRES IN THE
BIG MONEY INTERESTS THAT CONTROL
WHAT GOES ON POLITICALLY, WHAT
GOES ON LEGISLATIVELY IN THIS
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. IF YOU DO, AS MAYOR BUTTIGIEG
DOES, TAKE HUGE AMOUNTS OF
CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE CEOs OF
THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY,
FROM FINANCIERS IN THE FOSSIL
FUEL INDUSTRY, FROM THE
INSURANCE COMPANIES, FROM
WALL STREET, DOES ANYONE
SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE
GOING TO STAND UP TO THOSE
POWERFUL ENTITIES AND REPRESENT
WORKING PEOPLE.
WORKING PEOPLE. CHRIS, I AM ENORMOUSLY PROUD OF
THE FACT THAT MY CAMPAIGN TODAY,
AS OF TODAY, HAS RECEIVED MORE
CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, FOR MORE
PEOPLE, AVERAGING ALL OF $18.50
THEN ANY CANDIDATE IN THE
HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA.
AMERICA. WE ARE A CAMPAIGN OF THE WORKING
CLASS, BY THE WORKING CLASS, AND
FOR THE WORKING CLASS.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ON
WALL STREET, AND THE INSURANCE
COMPANIES, AND THE DRUG
COMPANIES, AND THE FOSSIL FUEL
INDUSTRY, AND FINALLY CREATE A
GOVERNMENT, AND AN ECONOMY THAT
WORKS FOR ALL OF US, NOT JUST
THE 1%.
THE 1%. >> Chris: BUT PETE BUTTIGIEG,
NOT TO TAKE HIS SIDE IN THIS
ARGUMENT, JUST TO SAY WHAT HIS
ARGUMENT IS, HE SAID LOOK, I PUT
OUT MY PLATFORM, I’M GOING TO
WORK FOR WORKING AND
MIDDLE-CLA PEOPLE IF
BILLIONAIRES WANT TO SUPPORT ME,
SUPPORT WHAT I STAND FOR, WHAT
IS WRONG WITH THAT?
>> LOOK, CHRIS, DO YOU OR
ANYBODY ELSE IN AMERICA REALLY
BELIEVE THAT IF THE CEOs OF
THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY ARE
MAKING SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS
TO A CAMPAIGN, THAT THEY DON’T
KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING?
LOOK, LET ME BE VERY HONEST WITH
YOU.
YOU. IN MY VIEW, THE DRUG COMPANIES
ARE NOT ONLY EXTRAORDINARILY
GREEDY IN CHARGING US, AND SOME
CASES TEN TIMES MORE FOR THE
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS THAT WE GET
AS THEY DO IN CANADA OR IN ANY
OTHER COUNTRY.
OTHER COUNTRY. IF THEY ARE CORRUPT.
THEY ENGAGE IN PRICE-FIXING,
THEY ENGAGE IN COLLUSION.
IN TERMS OF THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC,
THEY WERE ACTUALLY SELLING A
PRODUCT THAT THEY KNEW WAS
ADDICTIVE AND KILLING PEOPLE.
THEY CONTINUE TO DO IT.
DO YOU THINK, WHEN THE CEOs OF
MAJOR PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES
CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR CAMPAIGN,
THAT YOU ARE REALLY GOING TO
TAKE THEM ON?
I DON’T THINK YOU WILL.
WE HAVE MASSIVE LEVELS OF INCOME
AND WEALTH INEQUALITY IN
AMERICA, THREE PEOPLE WITH MORE
WEALTH THAN THE BOTTOM HALF OF
AMERICA.
AMERICA. DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU’RE GOING
TO TAKE ON THE RICH AND SAY
GUESS WHAT, GUYS, YOU’RE GOING
TO FINALLY START PAYING YOUR
FAIR SHARE OF TAXES, NOT AS
TRUMP DID GIVE IT A TRILLION
DOLLARS IN TAX RATES TO THE 1%
AND LARGE CORPORATIONS.
I THINK COMMON SENSE SUGGESTS
WHEN YOU TAKE MONEY AND YOU ARE
DEPENDENT ON BILLIONAIRES, YOU
ARE NOT GOING TO STAND UP TO
THEM, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO
EFFECTIVELY REPRESENT WORKING
FAMILIES.
FAMILIES. >> Chris: SENATOR, THIS PICKS
RIGHT UP ON THIS CONVERSATION,
YOU’RE GETTING HIT AS A
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, WHICH IS
HOW YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED YOURSELF
OR DECADES, BY EVERYONE FROM
JOE BIDEN TO DONALD TRUMP.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> BERNIE HAS LABELED HIMSELF,
NOT ME, A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST.
I THINK THAT IS A LABEL THAT.
>> President Trump: I THINK HE
IS A COMMUNIST, I THINK OF
COMMUNISM AND I THINK OF BERNIE.
YOU CAN SAY SOCIALIST, DIDN’T HE
GET MARRIED IN MOSCOW?
>> Chris: IN A GENERAL
ELECTION, I KNOW YOU LAUGH.
[LAUGHS]
[LAUGHS] >> CHRIS, I JUST WANT TO SAY
SOMETHING, IT GIVES ME NO
PLEASURE TO SAY THIS, WE HAVE A
PRESIDENT WHO IS A PATHOLOGICAL
LIAR.
LIAR. HE LIES, NO, I DID NOT GET
MARRIED IN MOSCOW, I
PARTICIPATED IN CREATING A
SISTER CITY PROGRAM WITH URS
LIVE OAK, WE HAD REPUBLICANS
WITH US.
WITH US. I’M NOT A COMMUNIST, I PRESUME
THE PRESIDENT KNOWS THE
DIFFERENCE, MAYBE HE DOESN’T.
>> Chris: HERE’S THE QUESTION,
YOU’RE GOING TO NEED THE SUPPORT
OF NOT JUST LIBERAL,
PROGRESSIVE, LEFT-WING
PROGRESSIVE, LEFT-WING DEMOCRATS, YOU WILL ALSO NEED
THE SUPPORT OF INDEPENDENCE,
EVEN CONCEIVABLY, SOME MODERATE
REPUBLICANS.
REPUBLICANS. HOW DO YOU OVERCOME, NOT THE
COMMUNIST LABEL, BUT THE
SOCIALIST LABEL, WHICH JOE BIDEN
SAID, NOT DONALD TRUMP.
>> RIGHT, RIGHT, THAT IS FAIR
ENOUGH.
ENOUGH. CHRIS, I WANT TO MAKE TWO POINTS
ON THAT.
ON THAT. IN MANY RESPECTS, IN MANY
RESPECTS, WE ARE A SOCIALIST
SOCIETY TODAY.
SOCIETY TODAY. WE HAVE A HUGE BUDGET, IT PUTS
MONEY INTO ALL AREAS.
DONALD TRUMP, BEFORE HE WAS
PRESIDENT, IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS
PERSON, HE RECEIVED $800 MILLION
IN TAX BREAKS AND SUBSIDIES TO
BUILD LUXURY HOUSING IN
NEW YORK.
NEW YORK. NOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
WHEN THE GOVERNMENT GIVES YOU
$800 MILLION IN TAX BREAKS AND
SUBSIDIES.
SUBSIDIES. THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY WHOSE
PRODUCT HAPPENS TO BE DESTROYING
OUR PLANET RIGHT NOW RECEIVES
TENS AND TENS OF BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN TAX BREAKS AND
SUBSIDIES, SO DOES THE
PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY.
PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY
SOCIALISM AND TRUMPS A SOCIALISM
IS I BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT
SHOULD HELP WORKING FAMILIES,
NOT BILLIONAIRES.
NOT BILLIONAIRES. I BELIEVE THAT HEALTH CARE IS A
HUMAN RIGHT, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD
RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE TO A
LIVING WAGE OF $15 AN HOUR, I
BELIEVE, IN FACT, THAT THE RICH
MUST START PAYING THEIR FAIR
SHARE OF TAXES WHEN YOU HAVE
MASSIVE LEVELS OF INCOME AND
WEALTH INEQUALITY.
WEALTH INEQUALITY. >> Chris: BUT SENATOR, LET ME
ASK YOU ABOUT SOME ASPECTS,
SPECIFIC ASPECTS OF YOUR AGENDA.
YOU HAVE JUST LAID OUT SOME.
LET’S PUT UP ON THE SCREEN SOME
OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE
PROPOSING.
PROPOSING. ACCORDING, THIS IS A REPORT FROM
CNN, IF YOU ADD UP YOUR PROPOSAL
FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL, AND OF THE
GREEN NEW DEAL, AND CANCELLATION
OF ALL STUDENT DEBT, AND A
GUARANTEED FEDERAL JOBS PROGRAM.
ALL THINGS THAT YOU PROPOSE,
THAT COMES TO $60 TRILLION IN
NEW SPENDING OVER TEN YEARS.
SENATOR, THE CONGRESSIONAL
BUDGET OFFICE, NONPARTISAN
ESTIMATES PROJECTS THAT OVER THE
NEXT TEN YEARS, THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WILL SPEND A TOTAL OF
$52 TRILLION IN NEW SPENDING.
YOU WOULD MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT.
>> CHRIS, LET ME DEAL WITH THE
ISSUES, FIRST OF ALL, WE PAY FOR
EVERYTHING THAT WE PROPOSE.
IN TERMS OF HEALTH CARE, THE
QUESTION THAT TRUMP, JOE BIDEN,
ANYBODY ELSE HAS GOT TO ANSWER.
IF WE LEAVE THE STATUS QUO
ALONE, AND THE NEXT TEN YEARS
WERE GOING TO BE SPENDING
$50 TRILLION.
$50 TRILLION. WE ARE NOW SPENDING TWICE AS
MUCH PER PERSON, $11,000 A YEAR,
AS DO THE PEOPLE OF ANY OTHER
COUNTRY AND EARTH.
WE ARE SPINNING A FORTUNE FOR
HEALTH CARE, YET WE HAVE
87 MILLION AMERICANS UNINSURED
OR UNDERINSURED.
OR UNDERINSURED. 30,000 DIE EACH YEAR BECAUSE
THEY DON’T GET TO A DOCTOR.
UNBELIEVABLY, 500,000 PEOPLE GO
BANKRUPT BECAUSE OF MEDICALLY
RELATED ILLNESSES, THEY GET
CANCER, THEY GO BANKRUPT, THAT
IS INSANE.
IS INSANE. MEDICARE FOR ALL WILL COST --
LET ME FINISH -- MEDICARE FOR
ALL WILL COST THE AVERAGE
AMERICAN LESS THAN THE $12,000 A
YEAR THEY ARE PAYING RIGHT NOW
TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
YOU CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU
WANT, BUT WHEN YOU ARE PAYING A
PREMIUM THROUGH THE INSURANCE
COMPANIES, I CALLED AT ATTACKS.
IN THOSE PREMIUMS, WE AND THE
COPAYMENTS.
COPAYMENTS. >> Chris: SENATOR, LET ME GET
IN HERE.
IN HERE. LARRY SUMMERS, NOT A RIGHT WING
CONSERVATIVE, HE WAS THE
TREASURY SECRETARY FOR
BILL CLINTON, HE WAS THE TOP
ECONOMIC ADVISOR, ONE OF THE TOP
ECONOMIC ADVISORS.
ECONOMIC ADVISORS. >> I KNOW LARRY.
>> Chris: OKAY.
HERE’S WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT
YOUR PLAN.
YOUR PLAN. THIS IS FAR MORE RADICAL THAN
ALL PREVIOUS PRESIDENCIES ON
EITHER THE RIGHT OR ON THE LEFT,
HOW DO YOU PERSUADE VOTERS IN A
GENERAL ELECTION THAT YOU ARE IN
THE POLITICAL MAINSTREAM?
>> THIS SOUND WAS INTERRUPTED, I
DID NOT HEAR EVERYTHING THAT YOU
SAID, BUT LET ME JUST SAY THIS,
CHRIS.
CHRIS. EVERY OTHER MAJOR COUNTRY ON
EARTH GUARANTEES HEALTH CARE TO
ALL PEOPLE AS A HUMAN RIGHT, AND
THEY ALSO SPEND SUBSTANTIALLY
LESS PER CAPITA.
THEY PAY FAR LESS FOR
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. TO BE WHEN HE IS NOT JUST
TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE, HE’S
TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE PROGRAM.
HE SAYS IT’S FAR MORE RADICAL --
>> I GOT IT CHRIS, I GOT IT
CHRIS.
CHRIS. IN TERMS OF CLIMATE CHANGE,
CHRIS, IN TERMS OF CLIMATE
CHANGE, I DO PROPOSE A LOT OF
MONEY.
MONEY. YOU KNOW WHY?
THE SCIENTISTS ARE TELLING US
THE FUTURE OF THE PLANET IS AT
STAKE.
STAKE. WE SPEND $60 BILLION DEALING
WITH HURRICANE SANDY, YOU SEE
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN
PUERTO RICO, YOU SEE WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN AUSTRALIA RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. WHAT THE SCIENTISTS ARE TELLING
US IS WE HAVE AN EXISTENTIAL
CRISIS.
CRISIS. HOW MUCH YOU THINK IT IS GOING
TO COST WHEN WE HAVE MORE AND
MORE EXTREME WEATHER
DISTURBANCES?
DISTURBANCES? WHAT YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO
COST IN FOOD PRODUCTION WE HAVE
INCREASED DROUGHT.
INCREASED DROUGHT. WE HAVE GOT TO ACT TO SAVE THIS
PLANET.
PLANET. THE GREEN NEW DEAL, BY THE WAY,
CREATES UP TO 20 MILLION GOOD
PAYING JOBS.
PAYING JOBS. TRANSFORMING OUR ENERGY SYSTEM
AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUEL TO ENERGY
EFFICIENCY.
EFFICIENCY. ON THIS ISSUE, CLIMATE CHANGE,
CHRIS, THERE ARE VERY FEW
OPTIONS IF WE WANT TO SAVE THIS
PLANET FOR OUR KIDS AND OUR
GRANDCHILDREN.
GRANDCHILDREN. GIVE THEM A PLANET THAT IS
HEALTHY AND HABITABLE, WE NEED A
FORCEFUL RESPONSE.
FORCEFUL RESPONSE. THAT IS NOT BERNIE SANDERS, THAT
IS WHAT THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY
IS TELLING US.
BY THE WAY, IT IS A DISGRACE
THAT WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO
IGNORES THAT REALITY.
>> Chris: SENATOR SANDERS,
THANK YOU, ALWAYS GOOD TO SPEAK
WITH YOU, SIR.