UKRAINIAN FORCES ARE MAKING FURTHER GAINS IN THE SOUTH
PUSHING TOWARDS THE CUPIED -- THAT IS JUST DAYS AFTER THE
UKRAINE PUSHED THROUGH THE CITY OF LYMAN.
THIS COMES JUST AFTER CONSIDERING HOW TO RESPOND TO
AN INVASION FROM THE RUSSIANS INCLUDING THEIR USE OF TACTICAL
NUCLEAR WEAPONS. THREE SIKH KARI JOINS ME.
NOW GOOD TO. SEE >> IT'S A PLEASURE.
>> SO RUSSIA IS TRYING TO MAKE THE TERRITORIAL CLAIM THAT THEY
ARE FACING THESE SETBACKS. AS I RELEASE, VIDEO AS YOU CAN
SEE THE UKRAINIAN TROOPS ARE DRIVING THROUGH THE RETRAINED
LINE. HOW DOES THE PUTIN EFFORT PLAY
OUT ON THE BATTLEFIELD? >> IT IS LOOKING A BIT OF A
DISASTER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE LIMON IS STRATEGICALLY REALLY
IMPORTANT. IT IS A KEY LOGISTICAL HUB.
SO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE GOT IT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR THE
UKRAINIANS TO KEEP MOVING EAST. HER SON IS WHERE THE HEART OF
THE BATTLE. IS IF THEY WIN IN HER, SON AND
THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD EVERY HOUR.
THEY'VE GAINED 20 OR 30 MILES. WHICH SOUNDS LIKE A SMALL
AMOUNT, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY A LOT.
IT TAKES A LOT TO MOVE 2030 MILES.
HER SON IS THE HEART OF THE BATTLE.
IF THEY START MOVING THROUGH THE RUSSIAN POSITION SOUTH, IT
MEANS UKRAINE WILL LIVE. IT WILL BE A VIABLE COUNTRY NO
MATTER WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS. BECAUSE YOU CAN GET BACK THE
COAST. THEY IT BECOMES IMPOSSIBLE FOR
THE RUSSIANS TO TAKE ODESSA OR BECOMES VERY VERY DIFFICULT.
SO, IT IS ALMOST LIKE A PENCIL MOVEMENT.
THIS IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT. THIS IS PROBABLY, WE ARE
WITNESSING THE TURNING POINT OF THE WAR.
IF THE HER SON ADVANCES CONTINUE.
BECAUSE IF THE UKRAINIANS CAN KEEP MOVING, THEY ARE
ESSENTIALLY DRIVING THE RUSSIANS OUT OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT GAINS THEY HAVE MADE IN 2022.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THEY DID IN 2014 AND 15 WHICH
IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. BUT OF THE STUFF THAT THEY TOOK
THIS YEAR, HER SON, THIS AREA IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THE
SOUTH. IT IS WHAT BLOCKED ACCESS TO
THE SEA, IT IS WHY THE UKRAINE CAN EXPORT THEIR GRAIN, EXPORT
FOOD. SO, IF THEY ARE ABLE TO
CONTINUE TO DO THIS IT IS HUGE. AND AS YOU SAID, PUTIN SAYS HE
IS THE NEXT TERRITORY, BUT IT SPOKESMAN SAYS WE DON'T EXACTLY
HOW MUCH WE HAVE AND WE HAD OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PUPPET
RULERS OF THOSE REGIONS. BUT ONE OF THOSE PUPPET RULER
SEEMS TO HAVE JUST BEEN ASSASSINATED.
SO THEY WILL HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE.
>> I THINK YOU WILL GET THIS QUESTION.
SO THEN, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH PUTIN?
WHERE IS HE? BECAUSE IF HE DOESN'T HAVE AN
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND HE IS THE GUY AT THE TOP
OF THE PUPPET MASTER. DOES HE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING
OF WHAT IS GOING ON >> YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE WHAT IS HAPPENED
HERE IS HIGHLY CENTRALIZED BY --
. AND THOSE HIGHLY DICTATORIAL
POWER STRUCTURES, BAD NEWS DOES NOT GO UP.
WHO IS THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO GO TO PUTIN AND SAY, YOU ARE
IDEA TO INVADE KYIV WAS A BAD IDEA.
YOUR IDEA TO DO THIS, THESE ARE ALL BAD IDEAS.
SO THAT IS NOT WHICH HE IS HEARING.
HE IS HEARING PROBABLY THE MOST SUGAR COATED VERSION OF ALL.
BUT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE THING ABOUT WAR IS IF YOU ARE
LOSING TERRITORY IT IS VERY HARD TO SUGARCOAT.
THAT >> SO TO ADD TO THE NEXT QUESTION, HE'S BEEN ADDING UP
THIS NUCLEAR WEAPONS SABER-RATTLING.
AND SO SOURCES BRIEFED ON MOST RECENT INTELLIGENCE, SAYING
THAT THEY'VE BEEN DEVELOPING CONTINGENCY PLANS.
THE U.S.. THE U.S. IS TAKING THIS VERY
SERIOUSLY. OH THE U.S. HAS TO TAKE IT
SERIOUSLY. RUSSIA HAS 2000 TACTICAL
NUCLEAR WEAPONS. PUTIN HAS TWICE NOW SAID HE
WILL DEFEND THIS LAND BY EVERY MEANS POSSIBLE.
AND SO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY,
AND I'M SURE THEY ARE DEVELOPING SPECIFIC RESPONSES.
NOW, I WILL TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE SPECIFIC THING.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK, OH, THIS IS SOME KIND OF
-- SORT OF LEAKING WHAT THE BIDEN
MINISTRATION IS GOING TO DO. BUT MY SENSE, BASED ON PREVIOUS
DISCUSSIONS WITH SENIOR OFFICIALS ABOUT WHAT TO DO IN
THESE KINDS OF SITUATIONS IS THAT IT IS MOSTLY THE UNITED
STATES WOULD NOT RESPOND TO A TACTICAL NUCLEAR STRIKE BY THE
RUSSIANS WITH A NUCLEAR STRIKE OF ITS OWN.
IT WOULD NOT -- THEY MAY BEHAVE RESPONSIBLY, WE
ARE NOT GOING TO BEHAVE IRRESPONSIBLY.
>> WHAT THEY WOULD DO WOULD BE MASSIVE CONVENTIONAL RESPONSE.
THE U.S. COULD JUST BE ONE EXAMPLE.
IT CAN DO IN HER BOMBARDMENT CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY
DESTROY EVERY RUSSIAN MILITARY POSITION AND UKRAINE.
EFFECTIVELY ENDING THE WAR. UKRAINIAN TROOPS WOULD THEN
WALK INTO THOSE POSITIONS. >> SO, IF IT DECIDED THAT IT
WAS SERIOUS ENOUGH THAN THE U.S. HAS THE CAPACITY DON'T
THINK THE RUSSIANS WILL BE ABLE TO STOP IT.
THE U.S. HAS MUCH MUCH BETTER CAPACITY.
BUT THEY WOULDN'T USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
>> LISTEN, THIS IS A FORMER CIA DIRECTOR WHEN HE SAID WHAT HE
WAS -- WE TALKED ABOUT, LET'S HEAR IT.
>> JUST TO GIVE YOU A HYPOTHETICAL.
WE WOULD RESPOND BY LEADING A NATO, A COLLECTIVE EFFORT, THAT
WILL TAKE OUT EVERY RUSSIAN CONVENTIONAL FORCE THAT WE
COULD SEE AND IDENTIFY. ON THE BATTLEFIELD, AND
UKRAINE. AND ALSO IN CRIMEA, AND EVERY
SHIP ON THE BLACK SEA. >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
>> I THINK THIS WILL BE A BRUTAL PLAN, AND I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 50,000 RUSSIAN TROOPS.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATE TO THE RUSSIANS,
AND LAST WEEK ON MY PROGRAM, LLOYD AUSTIN THIS CENTER OF
DEFENSE INDICATED THAT HE HAD COMMUNICATED TO HIS RUSSIAN
COUNTERPART. THE NATURE OF THE AMERICAN
RESPONSE. PROBABLY OBVIOUSLY NOT THE
SPECIFIC SOLUTION. I THINK THE RUSSIANS --
I OWN SENSES, WE'VE ALL GOTTEN PUTIN WRONG, BUT AUSTIN SAID
THIS. HE'S GOING TO TRY THIS
MOBILIZATION FIRST. IT'S BEEN A VERY POLITICALLY
PAINFUL THING. IT'S BEEN VERY UNPOPULAR IN
RUSSIA. REMEMBER, NONE OF THEM ARE OUT
THERE. SO FIRST HE'S GOING TO TRY
THAT. AND THE UKRAINIANS ARE --
BECAUSE RUSSIANS ARE GONNA TRY AND TAKE BACK THE ROUNDER
LOSING. SO THE UKRAINIANS HAVE TO KEEP
PUSHING FORWARD. BUT I THINK WE HAVE A
FUNDAMENTAL STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE.
WHICH MEANS WHEN YOU HAVE A CONQUERING ON --
THE CONQUERING ARMY HAS TO KEEP LOTS OF TROOPS IN ALL THE
CITIES AND IT TAKES HOLD IN THE CITIES AGAINST DOUBLE THE
PEOPLE. WHEN THE LIBERATING ARMY COMES,
IT DOESN'T NEED TO DO AS MUCH OF THAT.
BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ARE SECURING THE CITY FOR THEM.
WE KNOW IN WORLD WAR II, WHEN PARTIES WERE TAKING CITIES
THERE, THESE HUGE NUMBERS OF TROOPS.
BUT THE ALLIES DIDN'T. >> WITH HISTORY HAVE THE NUMBER?
A >> IT DOES. IT WAS A BIG COUNTRY, HUNDRED
50 MILLION PEOPLE, THEY HAVE 300,000 CALLED UP NOW.
THEY CAN CALL UP ANOTHER. >> OR IF THEY'RE MORE ORGANIZED?
>> THE WHOLE THING WE -- GAIN CONFIDENCE, PART OF WHAT
WE'VE SEEN HERE IS, YOU KNOW, RUSSIA AS A MILITARY POWER HAS
ITS REPUTATION HAS SUFFERED A DEVASTATING BLOW.
REMEMBER WAS RUSSIA'S CLAIM TO POWER?
OIL, AND GUNS? WELL WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT
THE RUSSIAN MILITARY I TELL MY FRIENDS IN INDIA.
INDIAN MILITARY HAS FOUGHT FOR NOT DECADES OF ITS ADVANCEMENT
OR COMMENT FOR THE RUSSIANS. ARE YOU WATCHING HOW THIS STUFF
IS PERFORMING ON THE BATTLEFIELD?
I REALLY WANTED TO THIS? I PREDICT IN THE NEXT --
THE MILITARY WILL START BY A LOT OF AMERICAN AND FRENCH AND
BRITISH STUFF. I TRIED TO PHASE OUT OF THE
RUSSIAN STUFF. THIS IS BEEN A DEVASTATING BLOW
TO THE RUSSIANS. THEIR MILITARY EQUIPMENT
DOESN'T FUNCTION, THEIR MENTAL WANT TO FIGHT, THEIR SOLDIERS
THAT WANT TO FIGHT. IT IS A DISASTER, BUT THAT IS
WHY YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NUCLEAR WEAPON IS SO RELEVANT.
BECAUSE PUTIN IS NOT GOING TO SIT STILL.
HE'S GOING TO FIGHT BACK. MY GUESS IS, WE WILL FIRST TRY
TO TAKE OUT UKRAINE'S ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND BOMB THE POWER PLANTS. BUT THOSE CITIES --
SO THIS MAY BE A VERY TOUGH PERIOD FOR THOSE UKRAINIAN
TOWNS AND CITIES. THEY'RE GOING TO BE WITHOUT
HEAT, POTENTIALLY WITHOUT LIGHT, BUT THEY WILL FIGHT.
IT IS THEIR COUNTRY. >> I WAS A PLEASURE.
MAKE US ALL SMARTER. THANK YOU FAREED, IT'S A
PLEASURE.