>> Tucker: GOOD EVENING AND
WELCOME TO
"TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT."
AFTER MONTHS OF INFORMING THE
REST OF US THAT UKRAINE’S
TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY IS MORE
IMPORTANT THAN OUR OWN, IT LOOKS
LIKE THE BOTTOM ADMINISTRATION
MAY BE GETTING THE CONFLICT IT
HAS LONGED FOR.
MULTIPLE OUTLETS ARE REPORTING
TONIGHT THAT RUSSIAN MILITARY
UNITS MAY MOVE ACROSS THE BORDER
INTO EASTERN UKRAINE.
THERE ARE NUMBER OF CREDIBLE
INDICATIONS OF THIS INCLUDING
THE FACT THAT RUSSIAN GROUND
FORCES APPEAR TO BE HEADING TO
TRAINING AREAS TO ASSEMBLY
POINTS.
OFFICIALS HAVE SAID THAT THE THE
EXPECT THE RUSSIANS TO MOVE
EMINENTLY IN DAYS.
THIS FEELS A LITTLE DIFFERENT,
WHICH IS WHY WE ARE BRINGING IT
TO YOU TONIGHT.
ACCORDING TO POLITICO, JOE BIDEN
HAS TOLD FELLOW NATO MEMBERS
THAT DATE COULD BE OF FEBRUARY
OF FEBRUARY 16TH.
>> WE ENCOURAGE ALL AMERICAN
CITIZENS WHO REMAIN IN UKRAINE
TO DEPART IMMEDIATELY.
WE WANT TO BE CRYSTAL COURIER
DELL NOT CLEAR ON THIS POINT.
ANY AMERICAN SHOULD LEAVE AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE AND IN ANY
EVENT IN THE NEXT 24-48 HOURS.
WE OBVIOUSLY CANNOT PREDICT THE
FUTURE.
WE DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS
GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT THE RISK IS NOW HIGH ENOUGH
AND THE THREAT IS NO IMMEDIATE
ENOUGH THAT THIS IS WHAT
PRUDENCE DEMANDS.
>> Tucker: A GOOD NUMBER OF
THE AMERICANS HE REFERRED TO AS
CURRENTLY SERVED IN THE U.S.
MILITARY.
FOX NEWS REPORTED THAT THERE
WERE MORE THAN 300 AMERICAN
TROOPS IN UKRAINE INCLUDING AN
UNSPECIFIED NUMBER OF SPECIAL
OPERATIONS FORCES.
IF A HOT WAR DOESN’T INDEED
BEGIN, THEY WILL BE IN DANGER OF
BEING KILLED.
WILL OUR TROOPS LEAVE BEFORE THE
SHOOTING STARTS?
JOHN KIRBY ASKED THAT QUESTION
TODAY.
"AS OF THIS MOMENT, THEY ARE
STILL THERE."
WHEN WILL THEY GET OUT, WE
ASKED.
HE WOULDN’T SAY.
WHATEVER HAPPENS BETWEEN RUSSIA
AND UKRAINE, THE UNIT STATES
WILL BE AT THE CENTER OF IT.
IT’S NOT HARD TO IMAGINE HOW THE
NEXT FEW DAYS COULD GO VERY
WRONG VERY FAST.
RUSSIAN TROOPS KILL AMERICAN
TROOPS INADVERTENTLY OR NOT AND
SUDDENLY WE ARE AT WAR WITH
RUSSIA.
A NUCLEAR ARMED NATION WHOSE
MILITARY STRONGER THAN ALL THE
WARS WE FOUGHT IN THE LAST 50
YEARS COMBINED.
FIGHTING RUSSIA IS NOT THE SAME.
IT COULD QUICKLY BECOME A WAR WE
COULDN’T CONTROL.
OUR SIDE OF THAT WAR WOULD BE
OVERSEEN BY THE SAME GENERALS
WHO FAILED TO BEAT THE TALIBAN,
GUERRILLA FIGHTERS AND SANDALS WHO DON’T USE TOILET PAPER.
WHO DON’T USE TOILET PAPER.
THEGIVEN THAT FACT, YOU’VE GOT T
WONDER IF THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION’S CURRENT WILD
POSTURING IS IT WORTH THE RISK.
WE ARE OPEN-MINDED ON THE
QUESTION.
IF IT’S WORTH FIGHTING RUSSIA,
TELL US HOW IT IS WORTH IT.
EXPLAIN HOW JOINING A CONFLICT
IN EASTERN EUROPE WOULD BENEFIT
THE UNITED STATES, NOT JUST
BENEFIT JOE BIDEN WHO IS
OBVIOUSLY DESPERATE FOR A
DISTRACTION FROM DOMESTIC
DISASTERS, BUT HOW WOULD A WAR
WITH RUSSIA MAKE US STRONGER AND
MORE PROSPEROUS?
THAT IS A FAIR QUESTION.
AT THE CENTRAL QUESTION.
WHILE YOU ARE AT IT, TELL US WHY
IF THE RUSSIANS ARE SUCH A GRAVE
THREAT TO EUROPE, THE EUROPEANS
SEEM A LOT LESS CONCERN THAN WE
ARE.
BITING KEEP SUGGESTING THAT
PUTIN WANTS TO SWALLOW WESTERN
EUROPE.
BUT IF THAT’S TRUE, WHY IN THE
WESTERN EUROPEAN SCRAMBLING TO
DEFEND THEMSELVES?
THEY COULD CERTAINLY AFFORD TO.
GERMANY IS ONE OF THE RICHEST
COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.
IN MANY WAYS, GERMAN PEOPLE HAVE
A HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING THAT
WE DO.
AFTER 80 YEARS, WE ARE STILL
PAYING FOR THEIR DEFENSE.
IS THAT A GOOD REASON FOR THAT?
COULD IT BE THAT DEFUNDING
WESTERN EUROPE FROM RUSSIA IS
THE PRETEXT FOR OTHER GOALS?
GOALS THAT REMAIN LARGELY HIDDEN
FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
IT IS WORTH ASKING THOSE
QUESTIONS AND DEMANDING CLEAR
AND LOGICAL ANSWERS TO THEM.
IN FACT, IT’S ESSENTIAL TO DO
THAT.
A LOT HANGS IN THE BALANCE.
IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, IT’S
NOT EASY.
SKEPTICISM IS ANNOUNCED AS
DISLOYALTY.
THAT IS WHY WE NEED TO FIGHT
PUTMAN OR THEY WILL ACCUSE YOU
OF WORKING FOR PUTIN.
FOR A RATIONAL CONVERSATION ON
THE SUBJECT, WE ARE HONORED TO
BE JOINED BY RATIONAL PERSON,
TULSI GABBARD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING ON,
CONGRESSWOMAN.
IT’S HARD TO KNOW WHAT TO
BELIEVE ALWAYS, AND ESPECIALLY
NOW, BUT LET’S STIPULATE, AGREE
TO AGREE, THAT IT SEEMS LIKELY
WE COULD SEE SOME CONFLICT
BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE SOON.
HOW SHOULD WE VIEW THAT?
>> FIRST OF ALL, PRESIDENT BIDEN
COULD END THIS CRISIS AND
PREVENT A WAR WITH RUSSIA BY
DOING SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE.
GUARANTEEING THAT UKRAINE WILL
NOT BECOME A MEMBER OF NATO.
BECAUSE IF UKRAINE BECAME A
MEMBER OF NATO, THAT WOULD PUT
U.S. AND NATO TROOPS RIGHT ON
THE DOORSTEP OF RUSSIA, WHICH,
AS PUTMAN HAS LAID OUT, WOULD
UNDERMINE THE NATIONAL SECURITY
INTERESTS.
THE REALITY IS THAT IT IS
HIGHLY, HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT
UKRAINE WILL EVER BECOME A
MEMBER OF NATO ANYWAY.
THE QUESTION IS, WHY DO SOME
PRESIDENT BIDEN AND NATO LEADERS
ACTUALLY JUST SAY THAT AND
GUARANTEE IT?
WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHY
ARE WE IN THIS POSITION THEN?
IF THE ANSWER TO THIS AND
PREVENTING THIS WAR FROM
HAPPENING IS VERY CLEAR AS DAY.
AND REALLY, IT JUST POINTS TO
ONE CONCLUSION THAT I CAN SEE
WITCHES, THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO
RUSSIA TO INVADE UKRAINE.
WHY WOULD THEY?
BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, IT GIVES THE
BIDEN ADMINISTRATION A CLEAR
EXCUSE TO GO AND LEVY DRACONIAN
SANCTIONS, MODERN DAY SIEGE
AGAINST RUSSIA AND THE RUSSIAN
PEOPLE.
AND NUMBER TWO, IT’S THE MONTHS
THIS COLD WAR AND PLACE.
THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
IS ONE OF THE BENEFITS FROM THIS
THIS.
THEY CLEARLY CONTROL THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION, WARMONGERS ON
BOTH SIDES OF WASHINGTON
DRUMMING UP THAT TENSIONS.
IF THEY GET RUSSIA TO INVADE
UKRAINE, THEN AGAIN, IT LOCKS IN
THIS NEW COLD WAR.
THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
STARTS TO MAKE A TON MORE MONEY
THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN FIGHTING
AL QAEDA OR MAKING WEAPONS FOR
AL QAEDA.
AND WHO PAYS THE PRICE?
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PAY THE
PRICE.
THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE PLAY THE
PRICE.
IT UNDERMINES OUR OWN -- IT
CONTROL SO MANY OF OUR
POLITICIANS AND THEY RUN TO THE
BANK.
>> Tucker: YOU ARE SEEN THIS.
I THINK YOU GOT A CREDIBLE VIEW
ON THIS.
I JUST HAVE TO ASK, THEY HAVE
BEEN TELLING US WITH INCREASING
HYSTERIA, WENDY SHERMAN, JAKE
SULLIVAN, AND THE PRESIDENT
HIMSELF, THE THREAT HERE IS TO
WESTERN EUROPE.
VLADIMIR PUTIN HAS AIMS ON OUR
ALLIES IN WESTERN EUROPE.
WHY DON’T THE EUROPEANS SEEM AS
AFRAID AS OUR LEADERS ARE IF
THAT IS TRUE?
>> I THINK THAT IS A LEGITIMATE
QUESTION THAT NO ONE IN THE
BIDEN ADMINISTRATION OR THE NATO
LEADERSHIP HAS RESPONDED TO IN
ANY WAY.
IT SEEMS THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN
THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
ACCOUNTABLE TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
THAT THE ANSWER TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
AND YET THEY HAVE FAILED TO
ANSWER THIS VERY, VERY SIMPLE
QUESTION AND JUSTIFYING WHY WE
ARE CONTINUING TO SEND MORE
TROOPS TO EUROPE.
WHY THEY ARE CAN SEND DOWN MY
CONTINUING TO OXALATE AND PUSH
FOR SOMETHING AND MAKING UKRAINE
HIGHLY UNLIKELY TO EVER HAPPEN.
AND IF IT DID HAPPEN, IT WOULD
UNDERMINE OUR OWN COUNTRY’S
INTEREST.
>> Tucker: IT DOESN’T SEEM AN
UPSIDE.
NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN
WHY AMERICANS SHOULD WANT
UKRAINE TO JOIN NATO.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE
MISSING HERE?
IS THERE SOME BENEFIT TO THE
UNITED STATES FROM HAVING THAT
HAPPEN?
>> I’VE LOOKED AT THIS
CAREFULLY, TUCKER, AND I’VE YET
TO FIND ANY BENEFIT THAT A
POLITICAL LEADER HAS USED OR
COULD USE TO JUSTIFY THIS TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
ALL YOU HERE AS WELL, WE HAVE TO
DEFEND DEMOCRACY.
WE HAVE TO DEFEND THE DEMOCRATIC
COUNTRY OF UKRAINE.
BUT AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL, THIS
CURRENT PRESIDENT SHUTS DOWN --
THROWS THEM IN JAIL, SHUTS DOWN
TV STATIONS THAT ARE CRITICAL TO
HIM.
I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING HOW
PRESIDENT BIDEN OR ANYONE CAN
SAY WITH AN HONEST FACE, WE ARE
DEFENDING DEMOCRACY.
AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE OUR
OWN GOVERNMENT HAS PUBLICLY
SUPPORTED THESE AUTHORITARIAN
ACTIONS BY THE UKRAINIAN
PRESIDENT AND SHUTTING DOWN
THEIR OWN POLITICAL OPPOSITION
AND IT BEGS THE QUESTION, THIS
SOUNDS FAMILIAR TO SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE
SEEING PLAY OUT RIGHT HERE AT
HOME.
>> Tucker: I WAS JUST ABOUT TO
SAY THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE
KIND OF DEMOCRACY.