all right benny man i want to do a
little tap dance here
on cult to personality then i want to go
through your feed
because you got some good stuff in there
that i want to um i want to talk about i
want to see what's on your mind but
you know doc johnson mentioned cult of
personality
there's something about a figure
that just draws people to him or to her
and there's no matter what happens no
matter what flaws we talk about flaws
a few minutes ago no matter what flaws
they have their supporters
are all about it and we've seen it
before in varying degrees and
in a way you can say that barack obama
had it and has it
that there's just something about the
way obama carries himself
the way he talks uh the way he
just untangles complex issues so
smoothly the way
he hits that little three from the
corner and says
that's what i do so barack obama has it
back in the day jfk had it you know
young guy one of the young
young presidents one of the youngest
presidents in history and he's got
jackie o when she's got style and so
people were
were down with jfk ronald reagan a
conservative
icon ronald reagan vinnie by the way i
was looking it up last week
was crushing people in the 80s you know
he had like
two 500 electoral
vote victory hundred eighty four twenty
four
eighty four and eighty both of them
crushed crushed jimmy carter crushed
walter mondale
like mondale i think won a state
yeah that's what it was he won the state
was it was it was was it minnesota or
something like that
his home state they just felt sorry from
that guy bro
you shouldn't be running but okay here
you go
but no that's a great point that you
bring about of trump's
personality if there's something you
know when you when you strip politics
aside and everything else like
remembering trump was a guy who would be
at the mike tyson fights
or trump is a guy that rappers would
bring
his name up in songs not knowing
anything not thinking about the central
park five which happened in the late 80s
and everything else
they were just looking at the myste the
or
the prestige the aura around him and not
thinking that oh 20 years from now he's
going to run for president and
everything else that's going
you know to go with it so there is
something that you can see like i think
i said it
you know earlier like you know obama
president barack obama
was inspirational in the way that you
could see
the best of yourself through his
charisma even through maybe he told the
line sometimes a little bit of arrogance
but we but a little bit of arrogance
isn't necessarily
a bad thing it comes across as a
coolness you know what i mean
with trump he's a little more
aspirational regardless of where
you sit if you agree with his policies
or whatever the fact that he was
unwilling to be anything other than
himself
so many people saw themselves that way
as being inflexible as being sticking to
their guns they saw it as strength i
know i brought that up earlier
but i do believe that there's a force of
of cult of personality as you called it
that people believed in that and that's
what they saw and not the politics and
not
you know necessarily some of the other
isms that we can bring up and talk about
to the cows come home
that's what they focused on was the
force of personality and not necessarily
the fine print
yeah and it's it's hard for for anybody
particularly uh in the gop it's hard for
anybody right now
to say well our party is
about principles our party is about
civility it's not and look
um it's it's not my thing it's not my
thing
uh i i don't like what they're doing but
if you are all about securing a job
which a lot of these senators and
and congress persons are they're all
about securing their job
that's what you're doing right now you
look at it and you say
we were all waiting let's be honest
let's be honest vinnie
we're all waiting last night man i was
drinking last night
not because i thought i was your drink
of choice
what's your drink my choice hey oh you
go hate this you gotta hate this
i i it was some red wine man i started
watching red wine you know that's not
bad it wasn't hard like it's not bad
no i thought you said you're like you
know i get down with some pinot i'll get
down with a pinot noir
it wasn't hardcore that's all good
because this one
because you know i hope she's not
watching but this is what i thought
i thought okay i shouldn't be sharing
this with y'all
thought i'd have a little red wine with
the misses
we get texas we get florida
it's an early night and you know we you
know celebrate
you know celebrating a nice night you
know that's what i thought
uh but she said i'm going to bed i was
like oh
i'm going to bed see you later uh i
can't take this
uh steve kornacki was driving her crazy
no we'll get to that later
yeah that's right we'll get to that and
we're sitting there waiting because we
thought it was gonna be this whole
repudiation
of trumpism america will not stand for
this
what words you've seen too much what
would you be women
you mean to tell me hold on vinny
you thought it was going to be the next
day you didn't think
that biden was going to have at least a
comfortable
advantage at this point you didn't think
so
i thought the night was going to play
out exactly how it did
i believed and i told this to people
like there were some nba owners who you
know you you're talking to about
different things
and they asked they asked me hey how do
you think tonight's going to go
and i'm like uh i'm not sure which way
how it's going to fall i think is going
to is going to rely on the mail-in
balance is going to have to fight this
is not going to be a wash
i had one nba owner tell me with the
utmost confidence we're talking about
billionaires we're talking about
all the money and we know the money
knows a whole lot more than us right
he told me this is going to be a wash
he's going to get 350.
trump is going to concede i literally
almost made a bet with him
i was willing to make a bet with him
that that was not going to happen why
because i have lived here for far too
long
and if i was born last night
i stayed up all night i know how this
goes you should look whatever you had
going on
with the red wine you should have
started that at five o'clock you start
that before the ballots come rolling in
you get you get a little performance
certainty before you have to worry about
the variables
too nervous she's too bad that wouldn't
happen she was too nervous man
you're too nervous you know now you got
some on your you you got something on
your uh on your feet that
intrigues me because i have something
similar but you tell me
you got something that says no more
pollsters
what does that mean the poster business
should be dead right now right
like like we everything that we've heard
from the past
two election cycles was that this was
going to be an
easy night for for the blue party right
no matter what side you sat
on if you were to believe the pollsters
you were going to believe that hillary
clinton was going to cruise to an easy
election night you were going to believe
that joe biden was going to cruise
to an easy election night and it's
almost like
clockwork as soon as the early returns
start coming in
you're looking at the you know the those
sites and those
experts and you're like what phone calls
were you guys making
what people were you guys actually
talking to that lead you to believe
that you know okay texas is going to be
in play georgia's going to be in play
florida's going to be in play
but they were talking like this is going
to be a wipeout a wave and i'm like
i don't see that at all and if you are
someone who votes or doesn't vote
based off of those polls then last night
could have been a very tough night when
the early returns started coming in if
you trusted those
you know those consistent numbers that
we've been seeing largely since late
summer
you know what vinnie i had one moment
like during because
we've all been following this uh uh
during the election season
and so i think a lot of people do have
like a little ptsd from 2016. because in
16
and i'm guilty of this at 16 i was like
oh he ain't going to win
donald trump's not going to win so a lot
of people got that gut punch
because they didn't expect trump they
thought trump would get some red states
they never expected trump to get
michigan and wisconsin
and pennsylvania and he got ohio by like
eight or nine
ohio by the way my home state flat out
red state
that's your home wait that's your home
state
ohio are you like from cleveland or
something
akron close enough oh
oh oh we gonna have oh we're gonna have
to talk after this
because you know detroit loves torture
in cleveland and and ohio and just about
everything me
me and lebron we both out we both out
lebron's mad too
i'm on lebron's coattails we out of
there
you know it's not a it's not this is a
red state now
ohio shame on y'all shame
anyway uh but i didn't think it was
gonna happen in 16 and a lot of people
were surprised by that
because it was just like here's this guy
so they would just flat-foot it not this
time
so as i looked at the polls this time
i'd read these polls whether it was 5 38
like clear but like all these different
sites and
some of them said even if the polls are
as wrong
as they were in 16 this is how it would
go down
and i still didn't believe it because
one thing i saw i don't know if you saw
this one
well wisconsin supposedly joe biden had
a
16 point lead it was kind of i was like
who was coming up with these numbers
yeah i'm
that's that's the one that hit me that's
the one that had me nervous
that's the one that had me questioning
questioning the validity
of some of these numbers like hey people
people are going are going to tell the
truth on the phone like
however you compile these numbers
whatever your ideology is or your method
you've got to change this up or you're
going to be out of business you should
have been out of business after 2016.
and contrary to what you say 2016
i knew what was going to happen was
going to happen i was actually when you
were walking into election night 2016
that trump was going to win
i had already made peace with it i was
i was actually in atlanta because i was
covering the bulls before
you know nbc sports chicago shout out to
the mother ship i was sure
i was working at the time in the bulls
way in atlanta for a game the next night
and i had went out got something to eat
went back to my hotel room and remember
that some of the some of the news
companies had called detroit i mean
michigan
for the democrats for hillary clinton
early in the night and then they had to
recant
so once that happened i was even more
sure
and i went to sleep 10 30 i went to
sleep
and you know how you wake up because
there's flashes of color in your eyes
there was a flash of bread at like two
o'clock in the morning
and i was like oh trump is one i'm going
to sleep i got to work tomorrow
why are you surprised why were you
surprised i know i know but i know why
you weren't surprised
why is that can i tell you why sure
because covering the bulls
are used to so much disappointment
they used to so much just like they let
you down
they let you down over and over i'm from
detroit so i never rooted for the bulls
either way it goes
i see that made it better that made it
better see anytime somebody tried to
call you a homer like oh no no no ain't
no homer
i'm from here oh you don't you don't
know they had created a hashtag for me
in chicago they created a hashtag for me
when i was in chicago after maybe like
my maybe my
the middle of my first season i came in
the middle of a season and they created
a hashtag
the hashtag was go back to detroit
every time i said something that bulls
fans didn't like and i was right like 95
of the time it was you hate our team go
back to detroit
and then piston fans on twitter will say
he hated our team too
that's just who he is he tells the truth
that's just who he is that's who he is
did you uh
were you around uh you probably got some
of your lines did you get any of your
lines from leon the barber
i was not around for leon the barber
that's a little bit before
i'm sure you heard some stories though
absolutely i've heard some story
i'm the barber sitting courtside knowing
uh for those
for the uninitiated liana barber a
famous
detroit piston fan who had courtside
seats like
even before the isaiah thomas era you
know to date
everybody and he would come up with
these crazy ridiculous things to heckle
opposing players he will find out all
these little different things this is
before social media so you really have
to dig to find out
all these different sort of things about
the other team's best player
and he would go at them relentlessly i
think there was another uh heckler in dc
who used to follow michael jordan around
during during the bulls uh glory years
like a lawyer or something and just had
a bunch of money he could follow the
bulls around it would just read passages
from sam smith sam smith's the jordan
rules about michael jordan's gambling
and everything else
but yeah like holly you covered the
celtics you know about
angry fans you know about occult affairs
cause you covered the celtics
and the new england patriots everything
about that says cult
well see right well she got that you got
i mean
look it's funny it's funny because
patriots fans if you run around
deflategate too
now if you talked about in society if i
took football out of it
and i said are in society you understand
you know
being black in america at times you feel
like you're up against things
and and the the the the deck is stacked
against you
in certain you never get inferences you
never get the benefit of the doubt
and you're like nah nah i don't get that
but then with tom brady and deflategate
they got it there
hey everybody's against tom brady this
is a setup
this is a sham let's let's let's check
the lawyers
i want to go to roger goodell i want to
check i want to check what everybody's
about they were
they were putting all i mean everybody
was a defense lawyer
around deflate gate psi i remember bill
belichick talking about psi as if he was
johnny cochran saying the glove don't
fit do you know
i remember that and it was so hilarious
if there was
ever a point where i felt like patriot
fan
could identify with black people it was
2008 was in 2000 2007
with randy moss because all of a sudden
they they like the black guy with the
braids
and the country voice and the
personality and all that and the flight
gate
it was like oh yeah y'all get it now
y'all know what it's like to be pixel
and y'all know what it's like to have
black excellence at the same time
you know i said look it's a fair
criticism it's a fair criticism that's
for sure
but on the flip side aren't aren't all
fan bases like that
now right now whatever your favorite
football team is
if that team doesn't have antonio brown
you'd say
oh how how could you sign that guy how
could you do that look at all the stuff
that he's done
and then when he's on your team well you
know look
don't you believe in redemption don't
you believe in second chances
what's wrong with you you're so negative
i rooted i rooted for a team that
employed
bill lambert i know all about
institutional inconsistencies as a fan
i rooted for a team with bill lambert
bill lambert just like
a guy who should be in the hall of fame
actually he's a borderline hall of famer
and then and in the nba
that would honestly make him a hall of
famer that's a discussion for another
he's a contemptible uh you know on on a
bunch of different levels as a
basketball player in terms of some of
the things that he did
but because he was on our team hold on
i've taken him hold on wait wait
he should be in the pistons hall of fame
you mean no he he should be in the nba
hall of fame
no he should die yes he should come on
look at the number go look at the
numbers go look at the numbers four-time
all-star
one time rebounding leader first stretch
five won the greatest defensive centers
ever
usually that means that you're in the
basketball hall of fame
we've seen guys get in with less that
week is the basketball hall of fame
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