on Friday the Obama administration the State Department which is part of the
Obama administration's an executive branch government released a report a
much
awaited report about the Keystone XL pipeline the report that is supposed to
set the stage for the president deciding whether or not to approve the completion
of something that looks to me like it's already pretty much complete
so Ryan Chronos key
is on the line with us my senate right Ryan you are
your banking stuff deputy editor of climate progress over the Think Progress
dot org blog
and brian welcome eat you can only program before have any
I think that this actually first time okay well welcome to the program
on it thank you for joining us what the State Department
doesn't say about the K XL pipeline
what is it that who John Kerry and and his associates at the State Department
aren't telling us well
the interesting thing about this report is
and especially and I know how much how much you're familiar with
the you know the backstory all of this but
you know TransCanada as a as a company in yes
spreading of Canada that wants to build and complete this pipeline
Beckett you may you may have heard over at the last a few weeks
for reports of the southern leg of the Keystone XL pipeline being
slob completed from nothing
such in a basket to the refiners in time we've we report on the show and we had
daryl hannah
on back when they were trying to fight eminent domain and writer in a
lady rancher yeah we've been up where write a story now there is you know
Chemical Brothers you know owning a bunch of the oil at the top known in the
refineries at the bottom I mean you know it's just
she's well so the that with this report was about was the
the northern like and on and that's that's one has yet been completed
because
it needs this approval from state department I get across the border so
essentially what the what this report was it's a final environmental impact
statement
which means that it's the sort is next step
they had there are two go back to the drawing board your thing I was a couple
years ago
Turkana free do this they were basically back in the same spot as we were
with with what the state department believes this project
to entail on what they're not telling us is the
I mean essentially what what a what they looked at was
they are assuming that just tar sands
oiled which is incredibly it difficult to to
to extract pick lottery has gas is actually get out the ground and it burns
very dark alley
I I army so
there assuming that that is gonna come out the ground right no matter what
right which is not necessarily a an appropriate assumptions there was even a
modest carbon carbon tax
because it so much energy is required to extract the oil from this
made it said not even oil really is its better manner by two men
rainy weather british-american and and
that that has been ground up in band and put into a slurry with the water
basically to
flush down the pipe if I have this right I think you got it exactly right
so writers to go take a look at this a trip me last year
and you know that the the presumption is
this is going to happen anyways and the
sir disingenuous thing to to assume because you know
this is 800,000 I barrels of oil per day per day that are going to be coming down
the a the headline if it gets approved I'm
it's very difficult to make up in in rail
shipments Andrea ransom entire are pretty I
pretty dangerous you probably heard and punching her pay we've we've we've been
we've had more explosions in the last year than we've had in the last 37 years
thirty-seven years you got it I so
your it not only is it is it not feasible you know economically it's
really difficult they really are
pushing their there's no reason they will be pushing for the so hard if it
if they just be able to just as easily get the heart and other ground
through another Axway right so you know that and then
you know this as you can tell you mentioned before you know
we had just as many of those last years we had last 37 years it's
it's getting here's the here's the here's the piece a push back that
doesn't make sense to me
and and why hasn't the environmental movement pushed on this harder
were they they want to get the stuff down to the
down to the gulf up Mexico the only reason that anybody would want to get
fuel to the Gulf of Mexico to refine
is so that we can keep the poisons the
the the byproduct of the refining we can have a larger cancer alley in Texas and
Louisiana
and we can ship the diesel fuel and gasoline off to other countries
now you know but the jingoistic saying that that diesel fuel and gasoline is
gonna go to america
trans-canada itself has come out and said no it's not in fact
they issued a document over year ago saying that you'd see that prices and
sent middle america actually go up gasoline at the same was completed
so why isn't anybody asking the question
why can't they just refine this stuff in Canada
and then if we want to buy their gasoline or diesel fuel we can do that
right and I N are using it as an energy security at the
the two main tenets of their argument is that it's gonna create jobs which
has been funny that's a pretty darn itself even as much
problems as there were with her with the report
the for will tell you that I will create only thirty five permanent jobs
so with that argument long term it's a it's a small number short term
construction projects and so you've got maybe one or two unions that think that
it's a good thing for just a short while but
but but a but but why not sayin oh yeah I we we would be glad to do
international trade with Canada and and then you get these very disingenuous
television as a talk about North American energy independence rather than
american
and everybody in america translate sat in the United States when actually what
they're talking about is taking
foreign oil Canadian oil and bring it to the united states and then we refine it
here we keep the poisons
and we don't even get all the oil and gasoline added that we just get the
poison to beat the cancers we get the air pollution we get the asthma
why don't it has anybody ever as the chance
asked that question do you know the answer to that question Ryan why don't
they refiners
crap in there own country keep their own damn poisons
and if they wanna make a profit selling the gasoline and a and the diesel fuel
fine will buy it from I think that's a good question and i think that that you
know they were half day
there at the answer would be four city that they they don't have the refining
capacity they
their dependent they don't want the refining capacity cuz you can build a
refinery a helluva lot faster easier than you can build a pipeline across a
continent
right I mean the and yet the other side of that is
on their sister study out today I think the nurses after I know
said found that the the environmental impact statements that were
like studies are done up in Alberta Nov the
the environmental impact up there you know there's actually been
massive stills strata as you expect our task is essentially what you do is you
you can if purpose a lot over steam into the router that
this goopy stuff income come back up but they
just for the has stated today that that that those statements
the impacting it or not dying as completely as you know the
as as situated so everybody's lying to us and and then we find that the Koch
brothers might make
even more mmm profit on this than there actually even worth right now
right I'll said butts like GA think there might be some money and the
politics alerts set for early
missus this is and and you know which I realize could be
taken as a whack on the Obama administration and this is not the Sean
Hannity show
but the you know something is rotten in Denmark
for at least Im in Calgary and we need to find out what it is
the Ryan Karnowski thanks so much for the great reporting you doing all that
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