CANADIANS AND THEY’RE EFFECTIVE. THERE’S A BIG FOE CHUR WE’RE
WORKING ON AS WE THAT TACK ONE
OF THE FAILURES OF THAT PROGRAM,
ONE OF THE MANY VISAS WITH
OVERSTAY PROBLEMS.
OVERSTAY PROBLEMS. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE
BORDER DETENTION FACILITIES.
YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR
THAT, CORRECT?
THAT, CORRECT? >> WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ATTENTION
TO THAT.
TO THAT. >> THE SEATS ARE AT 400%
CAPACITY.
CAPACITY. AN MSNBC REPORTER NOTED AT ONE
FACILITY, FOUR SHOWERS SNRFOR 6,
IMMIGRANTS.
IMMIGRANTS. KIDS DRINKING OUT OF TOILETS.
WHAT DOES FAIR LOOK LIKE TO YOU
IF THIS WAS YOUR FAMILY?
WHAT WOULD WE LIKE AMERICA,
DESCRIBING US IN A CRISIS, HOW
SHOULD WE TREAT THESE PEOPLE?
>> IN THE SHORT TERM CONGRESS
SHOULD GIVE APPROPRIATIONS SO
THERE’S NOT OVERCROWDING AND
MEET THE NEEDS THAT ARRIVE.
I WILL SAY THIS, LAST WEEK EL
PASO WAS NUMBER TWO AND NOW
THEY’RE NUMBER SIX.
WHEN YOU GET THAT MASSIVE OF A
SHIFT OF FLOWS OF PEOPLE, HUMAN
BEINGS, YOU CAN’T BUILD A
BUILDING IN NINE MONTHS, YOU
KNOW?
KNOW? >> BUT IS IT A RESULT OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION’S POLICY.
ADMINISTRATION’S POLICY. >> YOU BLAME IT ON THE
ORGANIZATION AND ON THE OTHER
SIDE THEY MONETIZED THE BORDER
MAKING HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO
CHARGE PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH
AND MAXIMIZING THE DIRECTION OF
THE FLOWS BECAUSE THEY USE THEM
TO MASK DRUG TRAFFICKING AND
HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
HUMAN TRAFFICKING. >> IF I TAKE YOUR WORD ON IT,
WHY ARE WE NOT SENDING THEM BACK
TO MEXICO?
TO MEXICO? >> THERE ARE HOLDING FACILITIES
IN MEXICO.
IN MEXICO. THE REASON WE’RE SENDING THEM
BACK TO MEXICO FOR STARTERS IS
SO THEY’RE PART OF THE PROCESS
THAT RESULTS IN THEIR ACTUAL
HEARING AS OPPOSED TO BEING
PAROLED.
PAROLED. AND PLEASE COME BACK.
>> THESE FOLKS ARE ON THE
STREETS OF MEXICO IN OVERRUN
SHELTERS.
SHELTERS. >> AND THAT’S PART OF WHY MEXICO
IS BECOMING A BETTER PARTNER.
THEY HAVE MORE OF THEIR TROOPS
ON THEIR SOUTHERN BORDER THAN WE
HAVE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER NOW AND
THAT’S AS A RESULT OF WHAT’S
HAPPENING IN MEXICO AND
WILLINGNESS.
WILLINGNESS. >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AIM
EDGES AND I ASSUME YOU DO, I
DON’T KNOW IF YOU’RE A REGULAR
MSNBC VIEWER BUT YOU FEEL
SIMILAR.
SIMILAR. >> I DO.
>> I DO. >> DOES THAT FEEL RIGHT TO YOU?
DOES THAT MEAL FAIR?
YOU HAVE THIS FATHER AND
DAUGHTER WHO DIED ON THIS TRIP.
I HAVE A GRANDSON ABOUT THE SAME
AGE AS THAT CHILD.
THAT’S WHAT I SEE WHEN I LOOK AT
THAT CHILD.
THAT CHILD. BUT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN IT AT
ONE POINT AND YOU SAID LET THEM
GO BACK AND SBIM WIM ACROSS.
>> NO, YOU SAID THAT.
I DIDN’T SAY THAT.
I SAID THIS FATHER IS AN ADULT
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS
DECISIONS.
DECISIONS. BUT THE REASON HE CAME ANYWAY
WAS BECAUSE OF THE INCENTIVES
YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT.
HE DID NOT COME APORT AT AN
ENTRY POINT.
ENTRY POINT. HE WAS HELD IN MEXICO A MASTER
OF DAYS UNDER MPP AND DECIDED I
DON’T WANT DO WAIT AND BROUGHT
HIS DAUGHTER THROUGH DANGEROUS
CIRCUMSTANCES ACROSS THE CREOLE
GRAND
GRAND RIO GRANDE OR ATTEMPTED TO AND
THAT FAILED.
THAT FAILED. WE WILL SEE A LOT OF THESE
TRAGEDIES UNTIL THEY’RE IN
PLACE.
PLACE. LEGAL ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE BEING
FLOODED BY ASYLUM SEEKERS.
>> I HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYING BUT
IT WAS 2013 YOU SAID THAT.
YOU DON’T HAVE TO KEEP THEM, NO
CATCH AND RELEASE, JUST POINT
THEM ACROSS THE WATER AND LET
THEM SWIM FOR IT.
THAT WAS FROM MY PUBLISHER DWIEB
ART.
ART.
FACEBOOK SAID IT WAS PUBLIC AND UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT
ALLOWED TO POST RACIST AND
SEXIST AND MISSOJASSAGE NOS TICK
AREAS.
AREAS. I BELIEVE THAT YOU DO NOT WANT
ANYONE TO DIE.
>> OF COURSE NOT.
>> BUT WHEN YOU PUT HIM BACK AND
TOLD HIM TO SWAM FOR IT, HE SWAM
FOR IT AND THEN HIS DAUGHTER
DIED.
DIED. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT?
>> I THINK THE MPP IS THE BEST
STEP.
STEP. HE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING
A COURT HEARING AND HE CAME
ANYWAY, AGAIN, ILLEGALLY, AN
ADDITIONAL TIME AND RESULTED IN
TRAGEDY.
TRAGEDY. AND UNTIL WE HAVE CONTROL OF OUR
OWN BORDER, AND THAT MEANS THE
PEOPLING ACROSS ARE ATTEMPTING
TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR LEGAL
OFFERINGS, WHETHER IT’S ANY FORM
OF VISA, OR ENTRY COMING THROUGH
LEGAL PORTED OF ENTRY, WE’RE NOT
GO TO KEEP SEEING THESE
PROBLEMS.
PROBLEMS. THE REASONS THEY’RE HAPPENING,
THERE’S NO ONE SILVER BULLET.
I HOPE PEOPLE CAN AGREE TO THAT.
AND EVEN IF PEOPLE DISAGREE ON
WHAT LEVEL IMMIGRATION SHOULD BE
AT OR HOW MANY OF EX-VISA, HOW
MANY EMPLOYMENT AND FAMILY AND
SO FORTH, THOSE ARE DEBATES WE
SHOULD HAVE.
SHOULD HAVE. BUT WE SHOULDN’T HAVE A
SITUATION WHERE OUR BORDER IS
BEING RUSHED, WHICH IS WHAT
STILL IS GOING ON ACROSS MUCH OF
THE SOUTHERN BORDER.
AND I’M GRATEFUL THAT MEXICO IS
NOW BEING A PARTNER IN TRYING TO
CONTROL NOT JUST HOUR SOUTHERN
BORDER BUT THEIR SOUTHERN
BORDER.
BORDER. TO TRY AND BRING MORE CARE AND
CONTROL TO THIS WHOLE SITUATION.
BECAUSE ONCE THAT HAPPENS,
PEOPLE WON’T BE HELD IN
FACILITIES THAT ARE 400, 600,
800% OVERCROWDED.
800% OVERCROWDED. THEY WILL BE HELD IN FACILITIES
DESIGNED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO THAT
POINT.
POINT. AND IT’S GOING TO TAKE US A
WHILE OR SLOWDOWN IN THE FLOW
BEFORE IT’S ACHIEVED.
>> THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF DHS
JUST RELEASED NEW PICTURES OF
OVERCROWDING AT BORDER
FACILITIES IN TEXAS.
I THINK WE HAVE THESE PICTURES A
TICKING TIME BOMB.
THAT IS WORRIES ME.
>> LOOK, ANY OVERCROWDING, IT
HASOVERCROWDING, THE REASON
WE GIVE A DESIGN NUMBER, THIS
FACILITY IS DESIGNED FOR 800
PEOPLE --
PEOPLE -- >> BECAUSE ABOVE THAT --
>> BECAUSE ABOVE THAT YOU START
TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES.
IT TAKES, FOR INSTANCE, MANPOWER
TO COVER FOR WHAT STRUCTURE WAS
INTENDED TO COVER FOR.
IT STARTS TO EAT UP MORE
MANPOWER.
MANPOWER. YOU DO HAVE MORE VOLATILE
SITUATION.
SITUATION. WE’RE SEEING, PARTILARLY FROM
CUBAN MIGRANTS, MORE AGITATION
AMONG THE MIGRANT POPULATION,
AND BY THAT I MEAN CONFRONTING
PEOPLE, BEING PHYSICALLY
AGGRESSIVE IN WAYS THAT THE
FOLKS FROM THE NORTHERN TRIANG
ELG ARE
ELG ARE LE ARE NOT GENERALLY
BEHAVIORING.
BEHAVIORING. WHEN YOU PUT THAT IN FACILITIES
NOT DESIGNED TO MANAGE IT, IT IS
A PROBLEM.
A PROBLEM. AND WITH THESE RAW NUMBERS OF
PEOPLE, INCIDENTS ARE GOING TO
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. JUST AMONG THE MIGRANTS
THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. AND WE’RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN
AS A GOVERNMENT TEAM TO TRY TO
MITIGATE THAT.
MITIGATE THAT. IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBER
OF HOSPITAL TRIPS WE’RE TAKING,
WHICH TAKES TWO AGENTS TO GET
ONE PERSON TO AND FROM A
HOSPITAL FOR SECURITY OF THE
AGENTS AND BECAUSE THAT HOSPITAL
ROOM VISIT ESSENTIALLY BECOMES
THEIR DETENTION FACILITY.