TALKING TO THEIR CHILDREN ACROSS THESE BORDERS OF THESE
COUNTRIES.
COUNTRIES. >> AMAZING.
>> AMAZING. WELL DONE, MY FRIEND.
>> THANK YOU, RACHEL.
>> THANKS.
>> THANKS. >> AS RACHEL POINTED OUT, IT
ONLY TAKES ONE.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A
DIFFERENT TAKE ON HOW IT ONLY
TAKES ONE AND WHAT THAT MEANS.
ONE SENATOR CAN STOP THE
NOMINATION OF THE NEXT SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE.
COURT JUSTICE. ONE PERFECTLY PLACED SENATOR,
REPUBLICANS HAVE A 51-49
MAJORITY ON THE SENATE FLOOR,
BUT SENATOR JOHN McCAIN IS TOO
ILL TO VOTE WHICH MEANS
REPUBLICANS HAVE A ONE VOTE
ADVANTAGE ON THE FLOOR, 50- -49
BUT WHEN THE FIRST VOTE CAME UP,
THREE DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR NEIL
GORSUCH.
GORSUCH. HEIDI HIDE CAMP IN NORTH DAKOTA
WHERE THE PRESIDENT VISITED
TONIGHT CAMPAIGNING AGAINST HER
AND WHERE DONALD TRUMP WON BY 36
POINTS.
POINTS. JOE MANCHIN IN WEST VIRGINIA AND
JOE DONELLY IN INDIANA, ALL
THREE OF THEM VOTED FOR NEIL
GORSUCH.
GORSUCH. BUT THIS TIME EVERYTHING COULD
BE DIFFERENT.
BE DIFFERENT. IF ONE SENATOR DOES WHAT HE HAS
PROMISED TO DO.
A RETIRING SENATOR IN HIS FINAL
MONTHS IN OFFICE WHO IS NOT IN
THE SENATE LEADERSHIP OR A
CHAIRMAN OF A COMMITTEE IS
NORMALLY IN A POWERLESS POSITION
BIDDING FOND FAIR WELL TO HIS
COLLEAGUES.
COLLEAGUES. BUT TONIGHT, JEFF FLAKE, WHO IS
IN HIS LAST MONTHS IN OFFICE,
HAS POSITIONED HIMSELF TO BECOME
THE MOST POWERFUL SENATOR.
HE’S NOT A CHAIRMAN OF A
COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. HE IS NORMALLY IGNORED BY MOST
OF HIS REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES AND
BY THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY
LEADER OF THE SENATE, MITCH
McCONNELL.
McCONNELL. JEFF FLAKE IS NORMALLY A QUIET,
MILD MAN ERRED SENATOR WHOSE
ONLY CLAIM ON ATTENTION HAS BEEN
HIS OCCASIONAL SHARP AND
ELOQUENT CRITICISMS OF PRESIDENT
TRUMP BUT THEY HAVE MOSTLY BEEN
CRITICISMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S
STYLE, NOT HIS POLICIES.
JEFF FLAKE HAS SUPPORTED MOST
TRUMP POLICIES BUT THERE’S ONE
TRUMP POLICY THAT JEFF FLAKE
TRULY HATES, A RECENT TRUMP
POLICY.
POLICY. AND HE HAS DECLARED HIS
WILLINGNESS TO LAUNCH THE SENATE
VERSION OF A WAR OVER THAT
POLICY.
POLICY. AND NO, IT IS NOT THE POLICY OF
ARRESTING AND JAILING CHILDREN
AND INFANT BABIES ON THE
SOUTHERN BORDER.
SOUTHERN BORDER. FOR JEFF FLAKE, THE VERY WORST
THING THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE
IS ILLEGALLY IMPOSE TARIFFS ON
IMPORTS FROM CANADA AND THE
EUROPEAN UNION.
EUROPEAN UNION. TARIFFS ON PRODUCTS THAT HAVE
NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR NATIONAL
SECURITY.
SECURITY. CONGRESS HAS THE SOLE AUTHORITY
TO RAISE OR LOWER OR ELIMINATE
TARIFFS, SOMETHING CONGRESS
SEEMS TO HAVE FORGOTTEN.
JUST LIKE CONGRESS HAS THE SOLE
AUTHORITY TO RAISE OR LOWER
TAXES.
TAXES. THE PRESIDENT CANNOT RAISE TAXES
WITH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
BUT DECADES AGO CONGRESS
INSERTED A LITTLE NOTICED
LOOPHOLE IN INTERNATIONAL TRADE
LAW ALLOWING THE PRESIDENT TO
UNILATERALLY ADJUST TARIFFS FOR
NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS ONLY.
AND JEFF FLAKE IS OUTRAGED THAT
CONGRESS IS ALLOWING THE
PRESIDENT TO ILLEGALLY USE THIS
POWER, SINCE THERE IS NOT A
NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE INVOLVED
IN THESE TARIFFS.
AND HE WANTS CONGRESS TO PASS A
LAW THAT WOULD CLOSE THAT
LOOPHOLE.
LOOPHOLE. JEFF FLAKE IS PUSHING ABILL,
ALONG WITH SENATOR BOB CORKER
WHO SPONSORED THE BILL TO DO
THAT.
THAT. IT WOULDN’T CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE
COMPLETELY, IT WOULD JUST
REQUIRE A CONGRESSIONAL VOTE TO
APPROVE ANY TARIFF ACTION TAKEN
BY THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF
NATIONAL SECURITY.
NATIONAL SECURITY. MITCH McCONNELL, WHO KNOWS THE
TRUMP TARIFFS ARE A VIOLATION OF
INTERNATIONAL TRADE RULES AND A
VIOLATION OF LAW, IS AFRAID OF
GETTING IN A FIGHT WITH DONALD
TRUMP, ESPECIALLY AFRAID OF
GETTING IN A FIGHT WITH DONALD
TRUMP DURING THE ELECTION
SEASON.
SEASON. SO MITCH McCONNELL IS REFUSING
TO ALLOW JEFF FLAKE TO HAVE A
VOTE ON THAT BILL IN ANY FORM,
EVEN AS AN AMENDMENT.
SO ON SUNDAY, GEORGE STEPH, ASKE
FLAKE THE MOST IMPORTANT
QUESTION OF THE YEAR.
>> ARE YOU PREPARED TO USE YOUR
OTHER POWERS TO DO THAT?
I KNOW YOU CONSIDERED AT LEAST
ON THE ISSUE OF TARIFFS AND A
COUPLE OTHER ISSUES SAYING AS A
MEMBER OF THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE YOU WILL NO LONGER
ALLOW JUDGES OUT OF THE
COMMITTEE UNLESS THERE’S ACTIONS
ON TARIFFS.
ON TARIFFS. >> AS GEORGE WILL PUT IT,
ARTICLE THREE BRANCH IS
IMPORTANT, THE COURT, AND WE
APPROVED A NUMBER OF JUDGES.
THAT IS IMPORTANT.
BUT ARTICLE ONE, THE CONGRESS,
ARTICLE TWO, THE EXECUTIVE ARE
AS IMPORTANT AS WELL.
I DO THINK UNLESS WE CAN
ACTUALLY EXERCISE SOMETHING
OTHER THAN APPROVING THE
PRESIDENT’S EXECUTIVE NOMINEES,
WE HAVE NO REASON TO BE THERE.
SO I THINK MYSELF AND A NUMBER
OF SENATORS, AT LEAST A FEW OF
US, WILL STAND UP AND SAY LET’S
NOT MOVE ANY MORE JUDGES UNTIL
WE GET A VOTE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON
TARIFFS.
TARIFFS. >> LET’S NOT MOVE ANY MORE
JUDGES.
JUDGES. OF COURSE, JEFF FLAKE SAID THAT
BEFORE HE KNEW THAT BY THE
MIDDLE OF THE WEEK WE WOULD BE
HEADED FOR A VOTE ON A SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE.
COURT JUSTICE. YESTERDAY, DAILY BEAST REPORTER
ANDREW DEZEDERO INTERVIEWED JEFF
FLAKE WITH THE REPORT, I WILL
BLOCK TRUMP JUDICIAL NOMINEES
UNTIL GOP VOTES ON TARIFFS.
JEFF FLAKE TOLD THE DAILY BEAST,
I’M COMMITTED TO GETTING A VOTE
ON TARIFFS.
ON TARIFFS. THAT WAS 24 HOURS BEFORE JEFF
FLAKE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO BE
FACING A VOTE ON A VERY
IMPORTANT JUDGE BEFORE HE LEAVES
THE SENATE.
THE SENATE. THE NEXT SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.
JEFF FLAKE IS A MEMBER OF THE
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
THERE ARE 11 REPUBLICANS ON THE
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND
TEN DEMOCRATS.
TEN DEMOCRATS. SO IT TAKES ONLY ONE REPUBLICAN
VOTE AGAINST A NOMINATION IN THE
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO
DEFEAT THAT NOMINATION IN THE
COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. AND SO, IF JEFF FLAKE DOESN’T
BACK DOWN AND STAYS TRUE TO WHAT
HE SAID BEFORE JUSTICE ANTHONY
KENNEDY ANNOUNCED HIS
RETIREMENT, JEFF FLAKE CAN BE
THE SENATOR WHO STOPS THE NEXT
TRUMP NOMINEE TO THE SUPREME
COURT.
COURT. NORMALLY A NOMINATION THAT IS
DEFEATED IN THE COMMITTEE DIES
IN THE COMMITTEE.
THAT’S THE END OF IT.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THE NOMINATION
WOULD STILL GO TO THE SENATE
FLOOR.
FLOOR. MITCH McCONNELL WOULD STILL
BRING IT TO THE SENATE FLOOR
WITH THE REPORT, TECHNICAL
REPORT THAT THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE VOTED AGAINST IT.
BUT THAT WOULDN’T BIND THE
SENATE FLOOR.
SENATE FLOOR. IT WOULD GO TO THE SENATE FLOOR
WITH ONE REPUBLICAN VOTING
AGAINST IT.
AGAINST IT. AND THAT WOULD GIVE PLENTY OF
ENCOURAGEMENT AND POLITICAL
COVER TO THE THREE DEMOCRATS WHO
MIGHT BE INCLINED TO VOTE FOR
THE NOMINATION.
THE NOMINATION. BY THAT TIME THERE MIGHT BE
ENOUGH PRESSURE ON REPUBLICAN
SENATOR SUSAN COLLINS OF MAINE
AND LISA MURKOWSKI TO VOTE
AGAINST A JUDGE THAT WOULD
OVERTURN ROE VERSUS WADE.
THEY’RE THE ONLY TWO PRO-CHOICE
REPUBLICAN SENATORS.
REPUBLICAN SENATORS. SO IF JEFF FLAKE DOES NOT BACK
DOWN FROM WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD
DO TO BLOCK TRUMP JUDGES BEFORE
HE KNEW THAT ONE OF THE JUDGES
HE WOULD HAVE TO BLOCK WOULD BE
A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, THEN
JEFF FLAKE COULD CREATE A
DYNAMIC SITUATION ON THE SENATE
FLOOR WHERE ANYTHING COULD
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. THE DEMOCRATS MIGHT BE ABLE TO
HOLD ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS THEN
IN OPPOSITION TO A TRUMP SUPREME
COURT NOMINATION.
COURT NOMINATION. AND THEN, ON THE SENATE FLOOR,
IT WOULD ONLY TAKE THAT ONE
REPUBLICAN TO KILL THE
NOMINATION.
NOMINATION. AND IF JEFF FLAKE IS THAT ONE
REPUBLICAN, HE WOULD THEN LEAVE
THE UNITED STATES SENATE WITH A
VERY IMPORTANT PLACE IN HISTORY.
LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION NOW,
JILL WINE BANKS, NEERA TANDEN,
AND RON KLAIN, FORMER CHIEF
COUNSEL TO THE SENATE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE AND AN OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL.
ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL. HE HAS WORKED ON SEVERAL SENATE
CONFIRMATIONS OF SUPREME COURT
JUSTICES IN HIS SENATE STAFF
POSITION AND HIS WHITE HOUSE
POSITIONS.
POSITIONS. WITH THAT, RON, WE’RE GOING TO
BEGIN WITH YOU.
I KNOW THAT YOU WERE ON THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DURING THE
CLINTON CONFIRMATIONS, WITHIN
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION YOU
HELPED GET TWO JUDGES THROUGH
THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WITH
YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT DO YOU SEE
AS THE POSSIBILITIES TONIGHT?
>> WELL, I THINK THE DEMOCRATS
ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT HARD.
BUT I THINK IF THEY FIGHT HARD,
IT’S AN OPEN QUESTION AS TO WHAT
WILL HAPPEN.
WILL HAPPEN. YOU LAID OUT ONE SCENARIO, I
THINK THERE ARE OTHERS.
THE KEY THING IS FOCUS ON A
WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
WE DIDN’T STOP MITCH McCONNELL
WHEN HE STOLE A SUPREME COURT
SEAT IN 2016 BUT WE HAVE TO STOP
DONALD TRUMP’S ROE REVERSAL RE
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS RIP OFF.
WE CAN’T LET THIS HAPPEN.
I THINK DEMOCRATS SHOWED THEY
CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN WHEN THEY
BEAT ROBERT BORK IN 1987.
IF THEY PUT PRESSURE ON COLLINS,
FLAKE, AND MURKOWSKI, THEY CAN
TURN AROUND WHAT THEY’RE TRYING
TO DO HERE.
>> JEFF FLAKE AT 8:57 TONIGHT,
KNOWING WHAT HE SAID IN HIS
LITTLE KNOWN COMMENTS ON SUNDAY
AND TUESDAY, ISSUED A STATEMENT
THAT DOESN’T REALLY SAY
ANYTHING.
ANYTHING. HE SAID, AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE,
APPROVEING A PRINCIPLE
CONSERVATIVE WHO WILL INTERPRET
THE CONSTITUTION RATHER THAN
LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH SHOULD
BE OUR TOP PRIORITY.
STANDARD LANGUAGE IN THE PRESS
RELEASES.
RELEASES. AND THEN HE SIMPLY SAID, AS WE
TURN TOWARD FILLING ITS SEAT, I
LOOK FORWARD TO THE SENATE
FULFILLING ITS RESPONSIBILITY OF
PROVIDING ADVICE AND CONSENT
DURING A ROBUST CONFIRMATION
PROCESS.
PROCESS. THAT’S JEFF FLAKE NOT SAYING HE
WILL, HE WON’T, NOT SAYING
ANYTHING, BUT HE’S GOT TO BE
THINKING TONIGHT ABOUT WHAT HE
HAS BEEN SAYING BEFORE TONIGHT.
>> THE MOST CRUCIAL QUESTION FOR
JEFF FLAKE IS, IF YOU HAVE
QUALMS ABOUT THIS PRESIDENCY, IF
YOU GIVE SPEECHES TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE SAYING THAT THIS
PRESIDENT IS FLOUTING NORMS AND
LAWS AND RULE OF LAW AND
DEMOCRACY ITSELF, THE ONE STEP
HE CAN TAKE TO END THAT, TO
ACTUALLY DISCOURAGE IT, TO STOP
IT, IS TO VOTE AGAINST THIS
NOMINATION.
NOMINATION. A NOMINATION WHICH HAS ADDED
IMPORTANCE BECAUSE OF THE
NORM-BREAKING RULE-BREAKING THAT
HAPPENED WITH MERRICK GARLAND, A
STOLEN JUSTICE SEAT THAT JUSTICE
NEIL GORSUCH IS IN TODAY.
I AGREE WITH RON, WOMEN ARE
LEADING THIS RESISTANCE.
THEY HAVE LED THE ACTIVISM IN
THE COUNTRY.
THE COUNTRY. WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING HERE IS
THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL PUT
FORWARD A JUSTICE WHO MAY SAY
ONE THING OR SOUND GOOD OR SOUND
REASONABLE, BUT WILL OVERTURN
ROE V WADE.
AND IT IS UP TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE TO SAY THAT IS A BRIDGE
TOO FAR.
TOO FAR. IT IS UP TO WOMEN ACROSS THIS
COUNTRY TO ORGANIZE, TO ENGAGE,
TO USE DEMOCRACY’S TOOLS TO SAY
TO SUSAN COLLINS AND LISA
MURKOWSKI, YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR
THESE NOMINEES, THIS NOMINEE, OR
SUCH A NOMINEE AND CLAIM YOU ARE
PRO-CHOICE.
PRO-CHOICE. THAT IS RIDICULOUS.
>> JILL WINE-BANKS I KNOW YOU
HAVE ARGUED CASES TO THE SUPREME
COURT.
COURT. I WANT TO GET YOUR REACTION TO
WHAT IT WILL MEAN TO
PRACTITIONERS AS A LEGAL
PRACTITIONER WHO HAVE THIS
KENNEDY SEAT FILLED BY LET’S
JUST SAY ANOTHER VERSION OF NEIL
GORSUCH?
GORSUCH? >> I THINK THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN
THE GORSUCH APPOINTMENT WHICH
WAS REPLACING A CONSERVATIVE
WITH A CONSERVATIVE, IS THIS IS
REPLACING A PERSON WHO ACTUALLY
LISTENED TO ARGUMENTS ON BOTH
SIDES AND WHO WAS A CENTRIST IN
A WAY, NOT AS MUCH OF A CENTRIST
AS HE IS KNOWN AS BECAUSE HE’S
DONE A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT I
WOULD CONSIDER TO BE BAD, HOBBY
LOBBY, GORE VERSUS BUSH, MANY
OTHERS, SOME OF THE
GERRYMANDERING CASES, SOME OF
THE VOTING RIGHTS CASES, BUT HE
WAS MORE OF A PERSON WHO WAS
KNOWN AT LEAST AS A DECISIVE
FACTOR IN THE 5-4 DECISIONS.
SO IT’S MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAT
THE DEMOCRATS STAND UP AND BE
STRONG AND THAT SOME REPUBLICANS
JOIN IN AND SAY THAT WE NEED TO
HAVE SOMEONE WHO WILL LISTEN TO
THE ARGUMENTS, AS A PRACTITIONER
WE WANT TO HAVE AN OPEN-MINDED
JUDGE, WHO WILL LISTEN TO THE
ARGUMENTS PUT FORTH AND WILL
MAKE A SOUND DECISION ON IT.
AND THAT’S WHAT I’M AFRAID OF.
I AM SO WORRIED ABOUT DEMOCRACY
AND ALL THE RIGHTS THAT WE’VE
COME TO TAKE FOR GRANTED, THAT
I’VE GROWN UP WITH, BEING
ABOLISHED UNDER THIS NEW COURT.
>> RON KLAIN, YOU WORKED ON THIS
STRATEGIC QUESTION IN THE SENATE
AND IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION,
HOW DO YOU HOLD ON TO THE
DEMOCRAT WHO IS IN A STATE LIKE
NORTH DAKOTA, WE’VE HAD
DEMOCRATIC SENATORS IN STATES
LIKE THAT IN EVERY ONE OF THESE
SUPREME COURT VOTES, THAT YOU’VE
WORKED ON, HOW DO YOU HOLD ON TO
HEIDI HIDECAMP WHEN THE
PRESIDENT FLIES TO HER STATE
TONIGHT, CAMPAIGNING AGAINST HER
AND DONALD TRUMP IS SO
OVERWHELMINGLY POPULAR IN NORTH
DAKOTA?
DAKOTA? >> A COUPLE THINGS, FIRST, A
REMINDER THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
CAMPAIGNED AGAINST HER.
SO TRYING TO MAKE PEACE WITH
DONALD TRUMP IS A OL’S ERRAND
FOR HER.
FOR HER. TRUMP IS GOING TO FIGHT HER
EITHER WAY, WHATEVER SHE DOES.
SO SHE NEEDS TO DO THE RIGHT
THING.
THING. I THINK WHAT HAPPENED TO JUDGE
BORK IS A MODEL HERE.
HE WAS NOMINATED BY A POPULAR
REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, RONALD
REAGAN
REAGAN REAGAN, HAD SUPERB CREDENTIALS
AND PEOPLE SAID THE DEMOCRATS
COULDN’T HOLD TOGETHER AND WIN,
YET THEY DID, AND GOT SIX
REPUBLICANS TO CROSS LINES WITH
HIM.
HIM. THE SENATE IS IN WORSE SHAPE
NOW, BUT I THINK IF THE CASE IS
MADE ABOUT THE RIGHTS AMERICANS
WILL LOOSE, ESPECIALLY THE RIGHT
TO CHOOSE, YOU CAN HOLD A FEW
REPUBLICANS AND FLIP THIS PERSON
AND BEAT THIS PERSON LIKE THE
DEMOCRATS BEAT BORK IN 1987.
>> I TALKED TO STRATEGISTS WHO
ARE SAYING IT’S ALL ABOUT SUSAN
COLLINS AND LISA MURKOWSKI AND
EVERY BIT OF PRESSURE NEEDS TO
BE PUT ON THEM.
THEY CAN’T STOP THIS WITH JUST
DEMOCRATIC VOTES AT THIS POINT
ANYWAY, THEY NEED TO PICK UP AT
LEAST ONE REPUBLICAN OR MORE.
>> THAT’S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND
EVERYONE THAT A YEAR AGO AT THIS
TIME HEALTH CARE HUNG IN THE
BALANCE IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY.
AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ROSE UP,
PEOPLE FLOODED TOWN HALLS, MADE
CALLS.
CALLS. THIS IS NOT INEVITABLE.
MITCH McCONNELL TODAY TRIED TO
SOUND AS IF EVERYTHING IS ON
TRACK, HE’S GOING TO HAVE THE
VOTE BEFORE THE ELECTIONS
BECAUSE HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE
IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGHT THIS.
BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT RON IS
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THESE JUSTICE FIGHTS, JUDICIAL
FIGHTS HAVE BEEN FOUGHT AND WON,
AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY, I
REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, 20, 25 YEARS
AGO, WOMEN STARTED ENGAGING IN
NATIONAL DEBATES ON ABORTION
BECAUSE ROE V WADE WAS ON THE
BALANCE WITH GEORGE BUSH
SENIOR’S ELECTION.
SENIOR’S ELECTION. THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I BECAME
POLITICALLY ACTIVE AT ALL ON THE
CHOICE ISSUE BACK IN MY COLLEGE
DAYS.
DAYS. THE FACT THAT WE ARE FACING A
QUESTION OF WHETHER ROE WILL BE
THE LAW OF THE LAND IN THIS TIME
MEANS THAT IT’S REALLY GOING TO
BE UP TO WOMEN TO ENGAGE IN THIS
FIGHT TO CALL YOUR SENATORS
TOMORROW, ALL OF YOUR SENATORS
TOMORROW, AND TO ENGAGE SUSAN
COLLINS AND LISA MURKOWSKI AND
FLAKE, THE WHOLE PANEL OF
REPUBLICAN SENATORS HERE HAVE TO
RECOGNIZE THAT ROE IS ON THE
LINE AND THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK