>>> THE CORPORATE ELITES, ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS TURN ON THE TV.
CORPORATE ELITE, WALL STREET AND
THE DRUG COMPANIES GETTING VERY
NERVOUS
NERVOUS NERVOUS.
NERVOUS. AND THEY SHOULD GET NERVOUS.
TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
ARE GETTING NERVOUS.
AND THEY SHOULD GET NERVOUS.
AND THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT
IS GETTING NERVOUS.
AND THEY SHOULD GET NERVOUS.
AND I HEAR THE ESTABLISHMENT
SAYING, OH, BERNIE CAN’T WIN THE
ELECTION.
ELECTION. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS CROWD TODAY
AND TELL ME WE CAN’T WIN THE
ELECTION.
ELECTION. >> WOW.
>> WOW. BERNIE SANDERS WITH THAT MESSAGE
TO A FIRED UP CROWD IN
CALIFORNIA LAST NIGHT.
JOINING US NOW, COLUMNIST EJ
DEONE.
DEONE. AUTHOR OF CODE RED.
THEY SEEM PRETTY DIVIDED RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. >> OF ALLEL THE APULLL THE APPLA
LOUDEST WAS WHEN HE WAS
ATTACKING THE DEMOCRATIC
ESTABLISHMENT.
ESTABLISHMENT. SOUNDS FAMILIAR.
SOUNDS FAMILIAR. >> SURE DOES.
AND I LIKE THE POINT YOU MADE
EARLIER THAT THIS IS A VERY
WINNABLE ELECTION, TRUMP IS IN
FACT A WEAK INCUMBENT FACING THE
VOTERS.
VOTERS. AND WHAT CAN BLOW THE ELECTION
IS IF PROGRESSIVES AND MODERATES
ARE AT EACH OTHER’S THREATS.
THE REASONEN
THE REASONEN -- THROATS.
-- THROATS. I THINK THAT PROGRESSIVES AND
MODERATES HAVE MORE IN COMMON
THAN THEY WANT TO REALIZE.
IF YOU TAKE THE CORE ISSUES,
WHETHER IT IS HEALTH CARE OR
CLIMATE CHANGE OR ACCESS TO
TRAINING OR HIRING AFTER HIGH
SCHOOL, THEY ALL WANT TO MOVE IN
A PROGRESSIVE DIRECTION.
THE DIFFERENCES ARE A MATTER OF
DEGREE.
DEGREE. AND I THINK THAT THE COUNTRY IS
CRYING OUT FOR A MESSAGE THAT AT
TIMES BERNIE DOES EXTREMELY
WELL.
WELL. BUT SO DOES SOME OF THE OTHER
CANDIDATES.
CANDIDATES. PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT
SOLVING PROBLEM, DIGNITY, THE
IDEA OF EQUAL DIGNITY, AND I
THINK DIGNITY SHOULD BE A
CENTRAL THEME OF THIS ELECTION.
IT IS A LAUGHCK OF DIGNITY IS WH
PEOPLE IN INNERCITY BALTIMORE
FEEL AND PEOPLE LIKE
PENNSYLVANIA.
PENNSYLVANIA. REMEDY, DIGNITY AND EMPATHY.
IN THE BOOK I PUT A LOT OF
STRESS ON THAT BEAUTIFUL FIRST
WORD IN THE AMERICAN
CONSTITUTION, THE WORD WE.
WE DIDN’T HAVE A SENSE OF WE IN
THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE
DONALD TRUMP’S WHOLE STRATEGY IS
TO DIVIDE US AS A COUNTRY.
AND SO I THINK THAT THERE IS A
POTENTIAL FOR UNITY HERE AMONG
ALL OF THE FORCES AGAINST TRUMP
AND I’M TRYING TO MAKE A CASE
THAT THEY NEED TO COME TOGETHER
AT THE END OF THIS THING AND NOT
LEAVE THEMSELVES SO TATTERED
THAT WEAK PRESIDENT MANAGES TO
LIMP TO RE-ELECTION.
>> SO YOU TALK ABOUT A NATIONAL
EMERGENCY, THE NATIONAL
EMERGENCY IS SUCH THAT THESE TWO
WINGS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER
AND THEY CERTAINLY HAVE IN THE
PAST.
PAST. USUALLY.
USUALLY. I’M WONDERING THOUGH HOW MUCH
MORE DIFFICULT DOES THAT BECOME
IF YOU HAVE BERNIE SANDERS
RUNNING AGAINST A GUY WORTH $55
BILLION, $56 BILLION WHO IS A
FORMER REPUBLICAN, WHO UNIT SOED
ED SUPPORTED STOP AND FRISK, WHO
OPPOSED MINIMUM WAGE AND AGAINST
A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE RANK
AND FILE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ARE
FOR.
FOR. EVEN IF HE HAS BECOME A CHAMPION
OF PROGRESSIVE CAUSES.
>> I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT
VERY THING WATCHING THE SHOW
EARLIER THIS MORNING.
AND COULD IMAGINE A NIGHTMARISH
SITUATION IN THE INDEPENDENT, AE
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, YOU REALLY
DON’T WANT THE FINAL CONFLICT OF
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
YOU’VE GOT -- ON THE ONE HAND,
BLOOMBERG HAS BEEN PROGRESSIVE
ON ISSUES WHERE THE COUNTRY IS
MOVING IN A PROGRESSIVE
DIRECTION.
DIRECTION. NOTABLY GUNS AND CLIMATE CHANGE.
BUT I THINK THAT IF THE PARTY IS
TORN BETWEEN SOMEBODY WHO IS
SPENDING ENORMOUS SUMS OF MONEY
ON VERY EFFECTIVE ADS, THAT TAG
LINE MIKE WILL GET IT DONE IS
REALLY I’LL BEAT TRUMP, AND ON
THE OTHER HAND, BERNIE SANDERS
WHO COULD REALLY RALLY PEOPLE AS
YOU SAW IN THAT CLIP, IT COULD
WORK THE PARTY INTO THE VERY
DIVISION THAT I’M TRYING TO
AVOID.
AVOID. >> YEAH, LET’S GO TO CASEY HUNT.
SHE HAS A QUESTION.
>> AND EJ, SO I GUESS MY
QUESTION FOR YOUHUNT.
SHE HAS A QUESTION.
>> AND EJ, SO I GUESS MY
QUESTION FOR YOU, PREMISE OF THE
BOOK IS FASCINATING.
CREATE SOME SORT OF
SUPERMAJORITY.
SUPERMAJORITY. BUT I’M NOT CONVINCED THAT THERE
IS SUCH A THING AS A MODERATE
VOTER IN AMERICA ANYMORE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE MIDDLE OF THE
COUNTRY HAS BEEN SO TURNED OFF
BY OUR POLITICS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST
SHUTTING IT OFF AND DECIDING NOT
TO GO TO THE BALLOT BOX.
DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS SUCH
A THING AS A SWING VOTER ANYMORE
OR HAVE WE MOVED INTO A MODEL
WHERE IT IS ALL ABOUT JUST
GETTING OUT AS MANY OF YOUR
PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE?
>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
AND BY THE WAY, THE WORD 340D
RAT
RAT MODERATE I AGREE IT CAN REFER TO
ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT I THINK THAT YOU SAW A
YEARNING FOR SOMEONE TO LEAD A
CENTER AND LEFT UNITED IN THE
SWINGS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN
CANDIDATES LIKE PETE BUTTIGIEG
AND AMY KLOBUCHAR.
WHAT THE BOOK ARGUES IS THAT IT
IS A MISTAKE, A KIND OF FALSE
CHOICE, TO SEE CAMPAIGNS EITHER
ABOUT MOBILIZATION OR ABOUT
PERSUASION.
PERSUASION. YOU’VE GOT TO FIND WAYS TO BRING
THEM BOTH TOGETHER.
AND I USE THE 2018 MIDTERMS
WHERE DEMOCRATS GOT 25 MILLION
MORE VOTES IN 2018 THAN THEY DID
IN 2014 BY DOING BOTH, BY
MOBILIZING A STRONG ANTI-TRUMP
CONSTITUENCY, BUT BY PERSUADEING
WHAT LOOKED LIKE 10% OR 15% OF
TRUMP VOTERS FROM 2016 TO SWITCH
SIDES.
SIDES. I TELL THE STORY OF A MORE MAD
RAL
RAL MODERATE MEMBER WHO TOOK ON THE
TEA PARTY AND THEN A PROGRESSIVE
DEMOCRAT WHO TOOK THE SEAT IN
BOSTON.
BOSTON. EACH NEEDS THE OTHER.
THERE IS NO DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY
IN THE HOUSE WITHOUT SPAM ABOUT
THE BERGER, BUT SHE PROFITED
FROM THE ENERGY ON THE
PROGRESSIVE SIDE FOR ALL THE
PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEERED FOR HER.
I DID A BOOK EVENT WHERE
SOMEBODY SAID I’M MORE
PROGRESSIVE THAN SPAMBERGER, BUT
I WORK MY HEARD OUT FOR HER.
WHEN THESE TWO SIDES COME