Dani: Hi! We're very happy to have with us, at Dror Center, Mr Honza Schicker from Prague, Czech Republic.
Honza agreed to talk to us. So, over to Honza Schicker.
Honza: Thank you for inviting me. I'm coming from Prague, but originally I'm from a smaller town in Czech Republic in the west,
Plzeň, which is known for its famous beer. Dani: Plzeň beer!
Honza: But since I was 16, I am living in Prague. The reason was that I did Judo and I was good at it.
When I finished with my sports career, I looked into things that could change my life because I was not satisfied with my life.
And in 1993, I met Scientology through the OCA test and I instantly knew, after I did it, that this is what I am looking for all my life.
So I did my first Book One Auditing. Dani: This is in Prague?
Honza: It was in Prague Mission. Dani: In 1993?
Honza: 1993. I was happy. I could see that it worked. It was everything for me - it works. Because I'm very practical.
Dani: And you were in Judo? Honza: Yes, I did Judo. It was before this part of my life. Sport is actually my life.
Dani: Wow. So in 1993, if I may ask, how old were you? Honza: I was 24 and now said 53?
Honza: 53. Dani: Okay.
Honza: I did many small courses, some auditing, and, for different reasons, I started as a staff member in Hamburg Org.
Dani: Ah, Hamburg, Germany?
Honza: Hamburg, Germany. Because Hamburg was actually our senior organization so they helped us grow.
Dani: This is where you met Holgar Hakenjus? Honza: Yes, yes, yes.
Actually, I met him before because he was very often in Prague. He did there many seminars and workshops and lectures.
So I became a staff member. Dani: At Hamburg Org?
Honza: At Hamburg Org, and I did there my first big service which was Purif.
Dani: Purification Rundown? Honza: Yes, Purification Rundown, and it was amazing.
I could observe on my body, but not only on my body, the changes. How this technology works like miracle.
I remember after I finished my Purification Rundown I felt like Clear, although I didn't actually know what it is to be Clear.
But I felt like it. I remember this feeling to this day.
So there was no doubt this technology works like hell.
But, what I found out very early, based on my observation, was that there were many outpoints in delivering this technology and handling it, actually.
When I tried to make it better, or to put in the technology, most of the times I was rejected as unwanted.
Dani: Didn't want you. Honza: Yes. I don't know what the reason was, but it was so.
Dani: We are now in Hamburg? Honza: Yes, we are now in Hamburg.
Dani: What year? Honza: Year 94-95.
Dani: Around that Holgar also came to Israel. Honza: Really?
Dani: He stayed at our home, and they wanted to help Tel-Aviv Org become Saint Hill Size. They didn't call it Ideal Org yet, they called it Saint Hill Size.
He was expert at making Saint Hill Size orgs. I met him. He was at our home. So you stayed how long at Hamburg?
Honza: I stayed there one year and 4 months, I think. So it was from May '94 to August '95. The reason was that one of the outpoints,
because I was actually illegal there. I didn't have a work permit, no permit for staying there. The people from the Org didn't care.
But I had many more problems with it, because I knew I had to go to Czech Republic every 3 months.
I tried to convince them to make it correct, but they didn't. So I told them it is against my integrity, so I cannot stay here.
I'm illegal. I'm a problem mainly for you because in Germany, Scientology was very hunted, pursued.
Dani: You said that you saw many outpoints, like what?
Honza: The main outpoints that I saw were at the academy.
Because although I studied only the Basic Study Manual, I knew that the students would be happy there if they have no MUs and other problems with studying.
When I came there, I could see that every student had a problem. Most of them have incredible MUs.
They're so confused. And the supervisors didn't know what was going on.
It was so late on the chain, because first you have a misunderstood word, but very often you have a lack of mass before it and there are phenomena.
So when you know it, you can handle it very easily before you run into a misunderstood word.
I was 1 year into Scientology and there were plenty of supervisors, most of them Clears and OTs who didn't see it.
So for me it was incomprehensible.
Dani: So you saw the outpoints in the academy. Any other things, major things that you saw?
Honza: In that time, this org was one of the best among Class 5 Orgs. Hamburg Org and Orange County were the best.
In the year 1994, in Hamburg, they celebrated that they made 10 clears throughout the whole year.
But this was actually for the whole of Europe. They gathered their preclears from all of Europe.
And they were so excited that they made only 10 clears, you know?
So, when they are celebrating this small amount of clears, then something is not good. Something is wrong, you know?
Because where are those thousands of clears that we were told on the events? On the statistics.
Who made them if not Hamburg Org, or an organization like that? That was my observation.
Dani: Okay, got it. So you left Hamburg Org in August '95? Honza: Yes.
Dani: And then you moved back to Prague. Honza: Yes, that's true. Dani: And then you continued services in Scientology?
Honza: Not so much because the services were extremely expensive.
That was also one of the outpoints that make no sense, because Ron wanted to give this technology to the people, to all people,
not only to the chosen ones who have plenty of money.
Dani: Not only Tom Cruise you say.
Honza: Yeah. But the price was extremely high and I don't have that much money. But I was in such a good standing as staff in Hamburg, they gave me one intensive from the auditor interns.
Dani: Ah, okay. So you got this auditing. It was good? Honza: Yes, it was good.
Dani: Great. And you did some courses? You mentioned the Student Hat earlier.
Honza: Yes, I did small courses like Comm Course and Integrity Course and BSM Course.
Dani: And that was good? Honza: That was not so good.
Dani: Oh no, why? What happened? Honza: I cannot use the skills from these courses. It was not good for me.
Dani: And you continued services in the Church for some time?
Honza: I paid in Hamburg for a package of courses. It was Student Hat, Pro TRs Course, Upper Indoc Course.
These three courses. I started with Student Hat, but in the academy I told you about. So it doesn't work.
So I did not continue there because it didn't work. But I heard that in the Basel Org in Switzerland, they have a very good academy.
So I transferred with my course there and I finished my Student Hat Course there.
Dani: In Basel it was better. Honza: Basel was much better.
Dani: Okay. And you continued in Basel after Student Hat? Honza: No, no.
Dani: Because? Honza: Because of money.
It was very expensive for me to be for, for example, 3 weeks, to study there.
Dani: So you didn't go back to Basel? Honza: No, no.
Dani: And then did you continue, or do something else?
Honza: I didn't because I started to communicate with ED International about my findings, about my observations, outpoints.
And nothing happened. He was polite to me, but...
Dani: What were the points you wrote to ED Int about?
Honza: The main point I was talking about with him was the translation because I was also a translator.
Because I have the ability to put the Tech from English to Czech language. And the first was the level of translation books and courses was not good.
The second was that this was, although it was not good, there was no okay from Int Management to be used in the academy in Prague.
I saw the same things. The people have a lot of MUs, but not from not understanding the Tech,
but from not understanding the translations, because it was so bullshit, you know? What was there in the translated material.
I wrote about this, I talked about this, it is not okay to give these things to the students,
but nobody listened to me, and nobody cared, because there was money.
It was much more important for them to have people buy these courses because they get the money, than to have what sold in poor quality.
Dani: So what was your last service at the Church? Honza: The last service was in 2012, and was on the Freewinds.
Dani: Ah, you went to the ship in the Caribbean on the cruise. Nice!
Honza: Yeah, it was a nice vacation. But that was all, because my experience from being there was terrible.
Dani: Terrible?
Honza: And after that, I decided I cannot be connected with this group of people, you know?
Or this organization. Because the people are actually good. I have nothing against the people.
Dani: Briefly, what was terrible?
Honza: The most terrible thing was that every evening after we finished our studying,
we were gathered in some room and there they wanted that we will put money to the IAS.
Dani: IAS? Donate to the IAS? Honza: Donation, donation. Yes.
And for me, the most shocking thing was, that even 50 dollars was too much for the people around me to donate.
So, it was every day. It was really embarrassing.
Dani: Wow. So, that was the last service in the Church, and that was it? Honza: Yes, that was it.