BEYOND.
CHARLES: HERE TO DISCUSS, CAPRI
HANNAH, FORMER
HANNAH, FORM R
CAFARO, NED RYUN, AND JOHN
HANNAH, FORM -- FORMER NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISOR TO DICK CHENEY.
CHARLES: I WASN'T PREPARED FOR
THE HIT ON OPEC, BUT PRESIDENT
TRUMP WILLING TO SPEAK HIS MIND
AND GO AFTER THE ESTABLISHMENT.
>> THIS WAS WHETHER YOU AGREE
WITH IT OR DISAGREE WITH IT.
THIS WAS TRUMP UNLEASHED.
IF YOU ARE A WORLD LEADER YOU
WANT TO KNOW WHAT DOES THE
AMERICAN PRESIDENT THINK, WHERE
COULD HE SEE THE MAIN THREATS
AND PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD AND
HOW IS HE GOING FORWARD TO TRY
TO RESOLVE THOSE.
I THINK YOU HAVE GOT WHAT THE
PREOCCUPATIONS OF PRESIDENT
TRUMP ARE, THE DEFENSE OF
AMERICAN SOVEREIGNTY WEB'S
OPPOSED TO GLOBALIST IDEA OPENY.
HE THINKS WE ARE GETTING RIPPED
OFF ON TRADE, OPEC AND HE SEES
MAJOR THREATS IN IRAN AND
VENEZUELA.
IF YOU LISTENED TO THAT SPEECH
TODAY, IT'S ALL YOU CAN ASK FOR
FROM A FOREIGN LEADER.
CHARLES: THE MINUTE AFTER THE
SPEECH "THE WASHINGTON POST" PUT
OUT AN ARTICLE THAT SAYS
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS HIS
ADMINISTRATION WILL OPPOSE
ATTEMPT BIZ OTHER NATIONS TO
OPPOSE RESTRAINT.
ACCORDING TO THE "WASHINGTON
POST," BY REJECTING THE
CONSENSUS OF OUR ALLIES AND
PARTNERS, THAT WOULD SOMEHOW IN
THE WORST INTERESTS OF MAYOR
CANS.
WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE REST OF
THE WORLD TO DICTATE OUR
POLICIES.
>> WHAT AN ABSURD PHILOSOPHY AND
RESPONSE TO HIS SPEECH.
I THINK TWO SENTENCES
ENCAPSULATE WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS
ABOUT.
HE SAID WE REJECT THE IDEOLOGY
OF GLOBALISM AND EMBRACE THE
BACK TRIN OF PATRIOTISM --
EMBRACE THE DOCTRINE OF
PATRIOTISM.
AMERICA IS GOVERNED AND RULED BY
AMERICANS.
THAT ENCAPSULATE EVERYTHING
DONALD TRUMP IS ABOUT, YES WAS
ELECTED.
IF I WERE TO CALL IT ANYTHING, I
WOULD CALL IT AMERICANISM.
BUT IT'S COMMON SENSISM.
WHEN HE SAYS WE ARE NOT GOING TO
PROTECT YOU OPEC IF YOU ARE
GOING TO GOUGE US ON PRICES.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE AID TO
COUNTRIES WHO HATE US.
AND WE ARE GOING TO SQUEEZE IRAN
ECONOMICALLY TO PREVENT THEM
FROM BECOME AN EXISTENTIAL
THREAT.
IT'S COMMON SENSE.
CHARLES: MANY SAW THAT AS A DOG
WHISTLE TO ISOLATIONISM AND
AMERICA REJECTING ITS ROLE AS A
GLOBAL LEADER?
>> I HATE THE TERM DOG WHISTLE
IT EVOKES A NEFARIOUS THAT MEANS
SOMETHING THAT'S RACIST OR
UNDERHANDED.
THERE IS NO DOG WHISTLES HERE OR
SURPRISES IN WHAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP SAID.
HE ALWAYS SAID HE SUBSCRIBES TO
THE AMERICA FIRST VIEW, AS SUCH
ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE UNITED
NATIONS I THINK HAVE A VIEW OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND OTHERS IN
HIS ADMINISTRATION SEE THAT AS
SOMEHOW SUBVERSIVE AND AUTONOMY
AND SOVEREIGNTY OF THE UNITED
STATES.
THAT EXISTED IN THE FAR RIGHT
ASPECTS OF THE REPUBLICAN
FOREIGN POLICY OVER THE YEARS.
SO NONE OF THIS IS SHOCKING TO
ME.
CHARLES: WOULD YOU SAY THE U.N.
HAS BEEN AN EFFECTIVE
ORGANIZATION FOR ALL THE MONEY
AND RESOURCES WE CONTRIBUTE TO
IT.
WOULD YOU SAY IT'S BEEN AN ALLY
TO THE UNITED STATES AND OUR
INTERESTS?
>> ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE
U.N. AND NATO IS THEY WERE
CREATED IN THE WAKE OF THE END
OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR.
THE WORLD LOOKS INCREDIBLY
DIFFERENT THAN IT DID IN 1945
WHEN A NUMBER OF THESE
ORGANIZATIONS WERE FOUNDED.
I WAS AT AN EVENT TODAY THAT
AMERICAN UNIVERSITY HOSTED AND
SENATOR BOB CORKER SPOKE.
HE SAID WE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT
BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE
MOST OF EFFECTIVE.
BUT IF IT DIDN'T EXIST WE WOULD
WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT
FILLED THAT VOID.
YES WE WANT TO STAND UP FOR
SOVEREIGNTY AND OUR DOMESTIC
INTEREST.
BUT PART OF THAT IS FINDING A
WAY TO ENGAGE IN THE GLOBAL
COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE WE
RETAIN THAT TRUST AND SHARE
COMMON VALUES AND NOT ALIENATE
THEM BECAUSE IT SEEMS WE WANT TO
RETREAT FROM THE GLOBAL
CONVERSATION.
WE HAVE TO FIND THAT BALANCE.
CHARLES: THE U.N. AFTER WORLD
WAR II, YOU HAD A WHOLE LOT OF
THINGS, REBUILDING THE AMOUNT OF
MONEY AMERICA POURED INTO EUROPE
TO BUILD IT.
TODAY OUR QUOTE-UNQUOTE ALLIES,
WE DISCOVERED BE THE E.U., ASIA
AND SOME OTHER COUNTRIES, ALL
ALLIES, FIGURING OUT TO WAY TO
CIRCUMVENT OUR TARIFFS OR US
MOVING AWAY FROM THE IRANIAN
DEAL.
THEY STILL WANT TO DO BUSINESS
WITH IRAN.
THEY ARE WRECKING NATIONS AND
SPONSORING THE DEATHS OF
CHILDREN.
THAT DOESN'T MATTER AS LONG AS
THEY MAKE A BUCK OFF IRAN.
>> THIS IS A SERIOUS
DISAGREEMENT.
THE UNILATERAL GET OUT OF THAT
DEAL, EUROPE HAS A MUCH
DIFFERENT VIEW.
I'M NOT SURE IT MANY EXACTLY THE
VIEW YOU SAY.
THEY HAVE CONCERNED ABOUT
IRANIAN TERRORISM AND AGRIGGS.
BUT THEY THINK IT PUTS A CAP ON
THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND
SETS THAT ASIDE.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THINKS
THEY ARE WRONG, AND WE ARE GOING
TO HAVE A SHOWDOWN.
DESPITE WHATEVER CIRCUMVENTION
MECHANISMS THEY ARE GOING TO TRY
TO PUT IN PLACE TO KEEP THEIR
COMPANIES DOING BUSINESS THERE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THE
OVERWHELMING POWERS OF THE U.S.
ECONOMY AND FINANCIAL SYSTEM AND
DOLLAR ARE GOING TO LEAVE EUROPE
AND COMPANIES VOTING ON THE
BASIS OF THEIR BOTTOM LINES.
>> THE IDEA AMERICA IS EMBRACING
ISOLATIONISM BECAUSE WE ARE
EMBRACING GLOBALISM.
>> AMERICANISM ISN'T ABOUT
ISOLATIONISM.
AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT SAYING I
AM GOING TO PUT THE AMERICAN
TAXPAYERS FIRST.
THE THING THAT'S FRUSTRATE BEING
THESE ALLIES, WE ARE NOT LIVING
IN A POST WORLD WAR II ERA.
IT'S A 21st CENTURY.
WE HELPED REBUILD YOUR COUNTRIES
AND YOUR ECONOMIES.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO
CONTINUE TO TAKE THE SHORTENED
OF THE STICK.
IT'S TIME TO PUT THE AMERICAN