MIKE: JEFF PAUL LIVE IN CAVE
KAY, JEFF, THANKS VERY MUCH.
HERE WITH ME ON THE SET RETIRED
ARMY LIEUTENANT GENERAL AND FOX
NEWS CONTRIBUTOR KEITH KELLOGG.
GENERAL, WELCOME.
>> GREAT TO BE WITH YOU, MIKE.
MIKE: THIS IS THE CITY WHERE JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT REPORT
JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT REPORT
WHERE UKRAINIAN REPORTING OH A R
ATROCITIES.
>> LET’S GIVE REAL CREDIT FOR
THE UKRAINIANS BECAUSE WHAT
THEY’VE DONE IS PUSHED HERE
VERY, VERY HARD AND FORCED THE
RUSSIANS BACK AND THE RUSSIANS
BEGAN A WITHDRAWAL AND THEN IT
BECAME A RETRO GRADE AND IT IS
BECOMING INTO A RALLY AND THE
REASON THIS CITY IS SO IMPORTANT
THAT’S A REAL RAIL HUB AND
LOVINGIST CALL AREA.
THE REASON IT REALLY HAPPENED
THEY STARTED THINNING THE LINES
HERE.
THEY WANTING TO GO TO THE SOUTH
AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT MAP I
WILL SHOW YOU WHAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT.
THE FIGHT THAT’S GOING TO OCCUR
AND I THINK THE RUSSIANS SEE THAT AS WELL IS THE REAL FIGHT
THAT AS WELL IS THE REAL FIGHT
IS GOING TO BE HERE AROUND
KURSAN AND THAT’S THE GATEWAY TO
CRIMEA AND STARTED PUSHING THIS
WAY TOWARDS CRIMEA BECAUSE WHAT
ZELENSKYY IS THINKING REALLY
HARD ABOUT IS HE SAID RECENTLY
THAT WAR BEGAN, THE WAR BEGAN IN
CRIMEA AND IT’S GOING TO END
CRIMEA.
HE WANTS TO CUT CRIMEA OFF AND
TAKE CRIMEA AND THAT WOULD BE A
MAJOR STRATEGIC DEFEAT FOR THE
RUSSIAN ARMY.
THE RUSSIAN ARMY FALLS.
IF THEY ARE ABLE TO GO AND TAKE
CRIMEA.
THERE’S A HUGE FIGHT.
THEY MOVED ABOUT 20 BATTALION
ATTACK TROOPS, 15 TO 20,000
TROOPS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THIS
WAS OKAY UP IN THE NORTH.
IT WASN’T AND NOW THEY ARE
FIGHTING DOWN HERE.
MIKE: WE KNOW PUTIN WANTED A
LAND BRIDGE FROM RUSSIA TO THE
PORTS AND SO SEEING THESE BLUE
AREAS, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO
UKRAINIAN TROOPS WHO HAVE BEEN
FIGHTING FOR THEIR HOMELAND?
>> THIS IS REALLY EXISTENTIAL
FIGHT FOR THEM.
THEY WANT TO WIN THIS FIGHT
BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY WIN
THE FIGHT THEY HAVE DEFEATED THE
RUSSIAN ARMY, THEY HAVE IF THEY
ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THAT’S WHY ZELENSKYY MADE THE
COMMENT ABOUT CRIMEA.
PUTIN MADE AN INTERESTING
COMMENT RECENTLY, HE SAID, THEY
ARE JUST FIGHTING OUR
PROFESSIONAL ARMY.
HE’S THINKING HARD MOBILIZATION.
IF YOU DEFEAT PROFESSIONAL ARMY
OF 300,000 THEY’RE PROBABLY
KILLED AND WOUNDED 70 TO 80,000,
ONE-THIRD OF THE INVASION FORCE.
THAT MEANS THEY ARE BREAKING THE
BACK OF RUSSIAN ARMY.
IT’S FASCINATING TO WATCH THIS.
IT’S BEEN HELPED BY AMERICAN
WEAPONS HAS HELPED.
I WISH WE WOULD GIVE THEM MORE.
TODAY REPORT ON NEW YORK TIMES
THAT WE HAVEN’T GIVEN THEM
EVERYTHING THAT THEY’VE ASKED
FOR.
I DON’T KNOW WHY WE HAVEN’T.
WEWE ARE A PARTY TO THIS CONFLIC
WE SHOULD GIVE THEM WHAT THEY
REALLY NEED.
MIKE: SO POLICYMAKERS WHO MAY BE
WATCHING, YOUR ADVICE TO THEM IS
TO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THAT
THEY’RE ASKING FOR BECAUSE THIS
IS A CRITICAL STAGE IN THE
COUNTRY.
>> THEY DIDN’T START THE FIGHT,
MIKE.
THE RUSSIANS STARTED THE FIGHT.
DEMOCRATIC NATION.
EXISTENTIAL FIGHT FOR THEM AND
WE SHOULD GIVE THEM EVERYTHING
THAT THEY WANT.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE AN MRS
BRIGADE IN EUROPE, TWO
BATTALIONS, WE SHOULD GIVE THEM
THAT EQUIPMENT AND THE AIRCRAFT
THEY ORIGINALLY WANTED.
WE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST AND WE
ARE PARTY TO THE CONFLICT.
I’M NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT
POLITICAL SIDE WITH PUTIN.
BREAK THE BACK OF RUSSIAN ARMY
AND SEND THEM BACK TO RUSSIA AND I THINK FOR PUTIN I THINK I
I THINK FOR PUTIN I THINK I
WOULD DOUBLE UP IN FOOD AT A TAS
MIKE: WHAT ABOUT THREAT TO
LEADERSHIP IN RUSSIA?
>> PRESIDENT BIDEN MADE A
COMMENT ABOUT IT.
I WISHED HE HASN’T TALKED ABOUT
IT.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT DOES
PUTIN DO AND PUTIN WILL HAVE TO
MOBILIZE MORE TROOPS TO WIN THIS
FIGHT AND LOOKS AT IT AS A MAJOR
FIGHT AS WELL.
TO HE HE’S AN EXISTENTIAL FIGHT
AND CONCEPT AND CONCERN ABOUT
NUCLEAR WEAPON WILLS ALWAYS RISE
BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT DIFFERENTLY
THAN WE.
DO THEY CALL IT NONSTRATEGIC
NUCLEAR WEAPONS, TACTICAL.
THEY HAVE ABOUT 2,000.
SMALL NUCLEAR WEAPONS, 1K1,
BLAST RANGE OF 5 MILES.
IT’S NOT A CITY KILLER BUT THEY
COULD USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF THEY DO THAT IT CHANGES
EVERYTHING -- THE MAKEUP OF
FIGHTING NUCLEAR WAR IN THE
FUTURE BECAUSE WE HAVE BROKEN
THE NUCLEAR THRESHOLD THAT
HASN’T BEEN BROKEN SINCE 1945
BUT IT’S THAT THEIR DOCTRINE.
PART OF DOCTRINE IS ESCALATE TO
DEESCALATE.
IF THEY WANT TO USE THAT, THAT
COULD CHANGE.
COULD THEY USE IT WITH A
DEMONSTRATION, THAT’S A REAL
TERM WHERE YOU PUT IT SOMEWHERE
WHERE IT’S NOT GOING TO DAMAGE
VERY MUCH BUT PSYCHOLOGICALLY IT
SENDS A SIGNAL.
THEY DO THAT, THEY PLAN FOR
THAT, IT’S IN THEIR STRATEGY.