A congressional committee held
a rare hearing on Capitol Hill today
on the subject of UFOs,
with members
and witnesses
alike pushing for more government
transparency on this issue.
CNN's Tom Foreman has more on the story.
First, give us the latest on this.
Really was quite
a hearing, Wolf, with plenty there
for conspiracy theories.
Those who believe
there are other beings out there
trying to contact us.
And if you listen closely
enough for skeptics to
there's a whole fleet of them will come
and say, oh, my
gosh,
something's out there.
We don't know what.
And we ought to be concerned.
We were primarily seeing dark gray
or black cubes inside of a clear sphere.
That was the message
from all the witnesses
about unidentified anomalous phenomena.
UAP.
Do you believe
UAP is pose
a potential threat
to our national security?
Yes. You're talking some thinking.
Go into space,
go someplace
drop down in a matter of seconds.
Do whatever it wants and leave.
And there's nothing we can do about it.
Nothing.
You're back with videos
released by the government
and their own
firsthand observations
of what are more commonly called UFOs.
The three retired military men,
two former
Navy pilots
and a former Air Force
intelligence officer
described a mysterious some things
objects, lights
with astonishing capabilities.
These objects were staying
completely stationary
in Category four hurricane winds.
The same objects were
then accelerate
to supersonic speeds, 1.1, 1.2 Mach.
And they would do so
in very erratic
and quick behaviors that we don't
I don't have an explanation for.
And when the witnesses started
talking about what they claim
they've been told,
it went even further,
albeit with no proof in tow.
You said that
the government has alien bodies
or alien species.
I have to be careful
to describe what I've seen firsthand
and not in this environment.
And have you seen any of the bodies
That's something I've not
witnessed myself.
This is huge.
This is worldwide.
The whole spectacle was enough
to have some committee members
openly
accusing the government of a cover up
is unacceptable
to continue to gaslight Americans
into thinking that this is not happening,
while others, like the witnesses,
are calling
for more
open reporting procedures
for anyone who sees anything.
We can't be afraid of asking questions
and we can't be afraid of the truth.
If one
thing came out of
this was a commitment from several
committee members, is a
are a push from them to say, yeah,
the government needs
to be more transparent
about what we do know
and what we don't know,
what we did
not get in
all of this, though, is any real proof.
What are these people seeing?
And is it something that is more science
or more fiction Wolf.
Tom Foreman, thank you very much.
Two people
who heard that UFO testimony today,
Republican Congresswoman
Anna Paulina
Luna and Democratic Congressman
Jared Moskowitz, both of Florida.
Thank you both for joining me today.
Congresswoman Luna,
while two of the three witnesses claim
they've seen unidentified objects
in the past
a lot of what was said
today was based on
what other witnesses had told them.
So why should you or the public believe
what they said?
Well,
I want to start by saying that
this really all started
as a series of events.
Initially, myself,
Representative Burchett
and Representative
Gates were actually denied access
to information
at Eglin Air Force Base in a follow up
of whistleblower
testimony to Representative
Gates, his office.
And upon pushback,
I actually saw with my own two eyes
evidence of UAPs at Eglin Air Force Base,
but also to it's important to note that
both crush,
as well as other witnesses,
were not only extensively vetted
but also some of the most viral videos
that have come out, the gimbal
and the Tic TAC video
were actually filmed
by two of the three witnesses.
And then referencing Grosch,
we actually requested a sketch
so that we could hear
that privileged information.
And we were denied access to that.
And I think that Representative
Moskowitz is going to be penning a letter
to ensure
that we get access to that skiff
for that briefing.
Well, to that point,
Congressman Moskowitz,
no government
officials testified at the hearing today,
and one of the witnesses alleges
that the government
is covering up its research on UFOs.
Do you believe that to be the case?
I do.
And it's not that they didn't testify
because they weren't invited.
No one wanted to participate.
That hand was extended
to multiple agencies
and they refused to participate.
And so
listen, there's no doubt
that we're fighting for greater
transparency here.
I mean, that's what this is about.
I mean, you have these pilots
who are decorated
veterans who have interacted
with things
that they can't explain
that are beyond the technology
that they were flying,
where you're talking about speeds
that, you know,
the human body would not be able
to sustain G-forces
that they would not be able to sustain.
And so,
you know, when you hear that
and you hear that
from reliable witnesses
under oath in Congress,
you know, that matters.
And so when you
hear from Grosch,
that obviously in his previous job,
you know,
he worked with people who have worked
with these UAPs
in that there are weapons programs
that are unsanctioned off the books.
That's the point
of congressional oversight.
The point is for us to ask
those questions, to pull that thread.
And if we have to get into a classified
setting to do it, so be it.
But this is really about disclosure.
We understand there's
national security implications.
No one's trying to jeopardize that.
But that can't be a shield
that the American people don't
get to learn the basics.
So, Congressman
Moskowitz, sticking with you,
what are some of the bipartisan efforts
that you're working on
to be more to have the government
be more transparent on this issue?
Well well, number one,
first of all,
we got to protect
our whistleblowers on this
so there could be whistleblower
legislation
that comes out to protect them.
I think obviously talking
about getting Russia into a skiff
so that we can hear
the classified information
Getting the document
he submitted to the inspector general,
he referenced that several times today.
I mean, there's some talk on Capitol Hill
about maybe doing a select committee.
Obviously, that would be up
to the speaker of the House
to do that with subpoena power.
And we can start subpoenaing people.
I mean, so
so these are some of the things
that are currently being discussed.
Obviously, we just came out of
out of that hearing.
Members are already starting
to talk about the next steps.
And that's what's important here.
What's important is that
this is not just a one day hearing
that we have follow up
and I think you hear from, you know,
Congressman, Congresswoman Luna
and others
that this is a bipartisan,
bicameral, nonpartisan
sort of stuff
that's happening on Capitol Hill,
which, by the way, is somewhat unique.
And that's why
I think you're going to see it
move faster than some other issues.
Yeah.
It is notable to hear that
some of these witnesses
were just nervous about testifying
for fear of a stigma
being attached to them from what
they saw or what they heard.