I've been to your site
and I've looked at the pictures.
I've looked at the pricing.
I've looked at guidelines.
It doesn't look sexually provocative at all.
Why not?
We work really hard to make sue that the clients
aren't confused by the service.
So we have meticulous guidelines
of what we wear,
and behavior, conversation.
Because we're trying so hard to distinguish ourselves
from services where a client might be confused
by that it might have sexual content.
And we're trying so hard to make sure the clients
understand that it's platonic.
So that they understand the service we're offering.
And also so they won't be disappointed.
And so that our staff stays safe.
Right.
So you intentionally, purposely,
don't put up sexually provocative pictures.
Yes we're really careful.
Very mindful, not too.
Because you put up pictures with wardrobe
much like you're wearing right now.
That's right.
I'm trying very hard to make it a clear distinction.
What's a sexual service,
and what are we doing which is a platonic service.
Because it's like a lot of industries like massage.
There are massage parlors
where you can go and
get a massage.
And then there are massage therapists
who are trained in the anatomy.
They've been certified as massage therapists.
They work with physical therapists.
They work with orthopedic surgeons.
They do rehabilitation after injuries.
They're very legitimate folks.
And then there are people that do happy endings.
And they're very, very different.
I don't think I have happy endings on my site.
It took years.
They're very, very different and it's
important to distinguish between the two.
It took years for the massage therapy community
to create those distinctions.
We're at the very beginning of a new industry.
It's an emerging field.
It's that muddy area in terms of the marketing
that can also create some dangerous situations
possibly for the other folks who are on your site.
Who don't have your great boundaries.
That's what I'm really worried about.
Well here is Alaska's site.
And there are no rules.
Cuddlers set their own rules.
Their own boundaries.
And then here's the Cuddle Sanctuary.
It's platonic nonsexual touches.
Clients sign an agreement.
Services are platonic.
Cuddlers and clients remain fully clothed.
Markets nonsexual platonic nature of services.
Sexual requests arousal met with firm boundary setting.
Collect relevant information about clients.
Social security number, driver license,
cell phone number.
No substance abuse during sessions.
Waivers, liability insurance.
All that.
That's on your site.
Her site is no rules.
Cuddlers set their own boundaries.
She has a service though.
Is this a good thing?
It's working in terms of how many clicks are you getting.
And yet it's concerning for me of course.
I agonized over that code of ethics.
What can happen we get a lot of calls from clients
who are coming to your site too.
They're just calling and trying and looking.
We spend so much time vetting those clients away
or educating them about
what can touch be like that's platonic and nonsexual
without any promise of titilation.
Is what she's doing and what she's advertising
good for your industry?
When I saw your site,
I just was like oh no.
Another one.
Because we're trying so hard to define this word cuddle
and sort of claim it as platonic and non sexy.
And yet so many people use the word cuddle to mean
before or after their sexy time.
So it makes sense.
That you would use that word.
But I was like Oh God I wished she used another word.
I wish she used another word.
It seems like I need to rebrand.
She's not helping you.
It's not helping.
Everything that she's saying
and everything that her list of rules is,
is on the first site that I have.
Now remember that I had a first service
just like her.
And it is difficult to teach people
and for them to understand.
So instead of battering and battering it.
What I did was I turned it into more of entertainment.
Learning, enertainment, and there also.
I think she'd rather you drop the word cuddle
and just be a dating site
if that's what you're gonna do.