now we've got a situation at the bunny ranch right now we've been telling you
about this so we have a
the ranch owner who has been having a Scouse his cattle
agrees on federal land for over two decades now
schools pay a fee for that now he's owes more than a million dollars the federal
government he refused to pay forty says
what my ancestors have been on this land since the 1880s
and hence I will not pay any fee so the federal government I don't recognize our
authority
and I'm gonna lower my cattle to graze their he might have a surprisingly
decent point hangin to the end to the store to find that twist out
ok and why that's the case now I have a concern with this
wave operating because then the Native Americans for example could come say
I don't recognize federal authority and trust me that my answer since I've been
on this land
much longer and I'd like to shop with weapons
and tell federal officials that I might use them and hence get my way
as some other militia that
seem to support mister bundy did and now would be problematic or you could have
many other people show up
a with weapons and say well I would like to pay my taxes or fees in the
government either
I don't think the right way to approach specs now as we discussed that yesterday
on the show a lot of people
did not like that point of view including a lot of our audience and they
all kept
appointing me to one video and it was to put the other by storm clouds gathering
to point out but the real story behind this federal
well grabbing over mister bundy's
cattle as it were right and what was the real
I motivation and actually put together really interesting story and one that I
was open to
it talked about how Harry Reid's son Rory Reid
at was in charge being in deal for this company called
enna Energy Group at a China know the value that deals five billion dollars
and the land they got
was in the general area there and I had actually
been sold at way below market value
now look i've seen this game a hundred times where though
politically connected and sometimes literally the family members have
senators and congressmen get these great deals
that he's working poor that Chinese room so I was open to that suggestion and
then
they also explain that the the guy who's in charge to the Bureau of Land
Management and ultimately made these decisions guy week or yesterday in your
corns
was actually a former staffer Harry Reid fascinating
and they're saying that this energy company of China was gonna build solar
energy
right on the lawn where mister bunnies cattle was grazing
and in fact they claimed over found
old part of the website but
involved in in this portion of the land and Nevada's dealing with in the federal
government's dealing with it
the explain the non-governmental organizations have expressed concern
that
there's a regional mitigation strategy at
that I effects other solar companies
and that in boss the trespasser cattle
okay so look I heard it out and I thought it was interesting so what I do
I look further of course I wanted to see what is a true
a was harried sign in Bama yes he was
no did harried have a former staffer who is now the head of the Bureau of Land
at management yes that's also true now
is it true that they did this and kick down a
mister Bondi's poor cattle from this place where they want to take it out
obviously they were unable to
back but a gunman had to return that 400 counts to mister by me because they
showed up with guns the
by Nick landed arm sought now let's find out what the reality yes
first of all but let's go back and find out how all this started
men the place I turn here was stops
they had all the links and I want all the original source articles as well
so for six by look back in nineteen ninety-three
climb in bundy began declining to pay the government's fees required to allow
his cattle to graze on public lands
and in 1998 as a part of an effort to protect the endangered desert tortoise
found in that area the government obtained the issuance of a court order
requiring bunny to take a Scouse of that land
now back in 1993 1998 there was no Chinese solar deal so
a if they were setting this up war they play a long day
right now saying a wall as you see there
there is indeed reports right now a lot of people are dismissive hope it didn't
hurt or if that's ok with you about its about a business deal
you look I might gambiae might be open to that I might be interesting brain
but they didn't plan it out back in 1998 you might disagree that that's a
legitimate enough reason to take the cattle of the land
and that's a fair argument but it isn't necessarily part of a conspiracy but
hold I've got a lot more
they also explain look in July 2013 a federal court finally
ordered by need to get office get his cattle of a public land within 45 days
or risk having them confiscated
by the government and sold to pay off the peas and trespassing Pines
reportedly in excess a 1.2 million dollars
that he owes you think we'll wait a minute now okay no he
years though so or company coming in and also in 2013 and there they go they
order me get the
you the cattle of the land and then
2014 finally they take action as bundy did not comply with the court order the
complication was kalb again and April 2014
precipitating a tense standoff between bundy supporters
and law enforcement officials so April 2014 oh that's very important
obviously this month we're in today now Snopes then looked into it
to see well our is their connection between the solar and wind
energy deal and the federal government action
yes mister bond let me quote however
the theory that reads punitive involvement in the bunny dispute was
motivated by a desire to somehow profit
from the building a solar plant falls flat in the face have two basic facts
the site that CNN mojave energy was planning to buy in order to build a
solar plant
is nowhere near the public land bundy has been disputing with the government
and Enan you up the solar project and terminated its agreement
to buy the land to how's it as far back
as June 2013
that would be a maps
so look I don't put partitions above a trip like this
at all book but in this case
even if you go back to when the court finally ordered the cattle of the land
those in July 2013 that company Venn company it's called wasabi energy
this link to China a decided not to do the project
and publicly announced that in June up 2013
so by the time it take the cattle away in April 2014 that project is long dead
and gone
so it's just not at all really besides which just because you're in the same
state
and in the general vicinity doesn't mean it's the same land and it turns out
it wasn't but that solar project was never intended
for the land that mister bundy had a scallop
and by the way in that video explaining how a
this was a conspiracy against crime in bundy when no one ever explained is
hey what right describe in bundy have to
graze on the land that is it heads
they all say it as if it's his ranch but it's not its federal government property
now see that's a little bit more complicated issue and here's the twist
where it turns out
that you might have more sympathy for before you get that simple thing
his head try to take it away by being an ass K
he says a when ass about Harry's response
this he says I don't have a response for harried
but I have a response for every county sheriff across the United States
disarm the federal bureaucrats okay now this is where he loses me entirely
no we can have local share apps fighting
federal government officials and have basically a civil war were everybody
draw their weapons
the farmer show up with the weapons and then you got the local
government and the you got the local militia and then you got the federal
government and everybody's got guns
that's a disastrous idea also that
mister climb in Bondi can get free grazing on federal land
no I'm not in favor that in fact other guy not appear that is Harry Reid
when they said hey look it looks like the Pure Land Management gave up here in
game as cattle back to me even though he's not paying the fees
Harry Reid said this well it's not over
on we can have an American people but
Miley launches won't work so it's not over clue that bad after the sun glasses
pocatello alright Harry so we'll see how that develops in a Pure Land Management
says look we've got a lot of
remedies were ready to pursue in fact the last one is fairly devastating and
I'll explain that to you and then as well
so now what is his claim on this land I mean
it's not his is the federal government's ours by the way climb on the hoes at one
point two million dollars to you and me to the american taxpayer right
and 16 other thousand other farmers to pay and that's very important
but James McCarthy professor political Gipe Clark
a explains when our federal aid system was set up
it was completely understood and accepted and part of the design that the
private landowners
would have really extensive access to and use a public lands
so that's really interesting so it turns out that climbing bunnies argument
was right in the past so in eighteen eighties when his family first went to
the federal government said yes it is come over here
you don't have to own the federal and the for government will only you don't
have
property rights to it but we will allow grazing on the land for free
now that was in the 1880 zone for a long time in the 20th century as well
things changes I'm about to explain but Jonathan amor didn't ernie specializing
in
dispute or federal and does say there's a long history federal allowance
of trespass that is trespassing with the federal government has allowed
in the past but they go on to explain that the help
the land management also was put in place in order to encourage settlers to
move to remote areas I use it for purposes like
ranching logging and gold exploration to support the government program and on
purpose
and oftentimes people relied on it to go out there and say hey you know what I
have this
that I can use a government program that's going to help me and that's why
I'm moving there
so that's a very fair argument the unexplained but the latter half of the
20th century
as a country became more aware of its effects on the environment
the government's priorities moved away from providing economic benefits
through its land and more toward conservation
now here's the interesting part where you separate look
is family relied on that to go out there they built their forward sector very
small farm
and any use much larger federal land for for grazing their cattle
and at some point the government said okay look we're changing the rules and
from now on
we have different priorities are they allowed to do that
so that's a great question and in fact a hammered says that the
he thinks it might be taking him explain every said restrictions or lane usage is
crazy P sprung up in the 1990s
since those this is those restrictions devalue people's livelihoods and
businesses
the amount to taking of property now here's a prop
the courts did not agree they went to court so the
and that's how we resolve things in a democracy in this country
so climb bunnies attorneys made this argument and said he was he can change
the rules on us
and the federal government made argument but this is our land they got to use it
for free
for decade upon decade and at but we had the right
it is our property the say hey these are the new rules on this land
and we're not going to allow for free grazing anymore and in fact
since the nineteen nineties all these other farmers have been paying the
grazing fees because is not there when
and the court decided the bundy was wrong and the government was right that
they could change that rule
at weather was an official ruling on spoken all those really quite matter
the they had the right as landowners to charge a fee
that everyone else is paying except bundy
right so it has been decided but
bundy decided now I don't care what the court said I don't care what the federal
government says
I'm gonna grab a gun and I'm a show but a lot of friends with guns
and we're gonna want are callback well that's how we should do things in the
wild wild west
that's why people would keep getting shot over and over and by the way
people keep getting shot over and over today his everybody keeps grabbing their
guns
it's a bad idea so is the government really gonna let it go
well doesn't appear so that same expert on land use and the federal government's
a rights on land-use said quote
they won't let ago and no press charges against him in federal court
and I'll try to basically bleeders ability to defend himself and beat him
up
on technical grounds they'll put him in a situation where he'll end up with the
determination a liability
there would be so great that he would have two cells ran to them
texting which is that so
I mister body thinks he's a tough guy I'll but
fell government to helping the mass with a look
when the use that kind of power unjustly is nothing that makes me angry because
they're supposed to be
our government but in this case not federal lead
is our collective property okay it is that's what it is
and the courts have said it is so we already judicata this
this is not a matter of injustice there's a matter one former saying
even though everybody else pays the fees I'm not going to
and the way I'm not going to is by threatening by let's
against by the way innocent government workers there on the scene
okay at in to say hey look we've got our guns
and maybe we'll use them and that was the reason cited by by the Bureau of
Land Management
to give us cattle back as they were concerned about the safety up their
workers there
now that's not how we're supposed to do things in this country we're not
supposed to resort to violence like that or threats or violence
so yes it's a complicated issue it's an interesting issue
and it's more nuanced than either side gives it credit for
but that being said in the end it's not his land
everybody else pays that P he doesn't want to
and he doesn't get there unilaterally decide and he certainly doesn't have
been decided the point of a gun