- So like, he will only come to me
if he feels like it.
He won't like, if we're doing the training session,
he will usually do what I ask 'cause he wants the treat,
but if I do anything outside of the training session,
he knows, for example, he would go on top of the fridge,
'cause he knows I can't reach it.
He's really scared of new things as well,
'cause he's more my bird?
- I'm at the 40 end of the scale,
although he loves my shoulder more.
He's normally with Noah,
but if we're sitting in front of the TV
and he wants to veg out,
he will constantly leave Noah's shoulder and come to mine.
I'm guessing 'cause there's more real estate
for him to sit on.
(laughs)
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- So he's learning flight training in the house,
which he do it, if he doesn't see me,
he doesn't really like it as much.
It can be hard for me to get him,
but as long as he see me he will.
Obviously, stick training like touch training.
He turns around, he shakes, he waves,
he do a high five, he turns on his back for my hand.
Hey, can you do it for me?
Come on.
No.
High five.
(clicks)
Good boy.
- [Dave] Figured out that the click
isn't applying to them. - Shake.
(clicks)
- [Dave] 'Cause they can see what's happening.
- He usually will just turn around and then wave.
Yeah, what are you gonna do for me?
Yes, (clicks) and what else?
And what else?
(clicks) Good job!
He's just starting to wake up.
- [Dave] For the target training session.
- Hello. - Just to see
if they're willing to train.
- Up, up, up.
No?
Kido, come Kido!
(parrot screeches)
Hello.
So yeah, he doesn't want to.
- [Dave] See what your step up and step down looks like?
- Up.
Nah, come on.
- [Dave] Okay, step back for a sec.
Did you guys catch what changed?
- [Matt] No, kinda the same for me.
- [Dave] So, step up is a trick.
Don't forget, like this time go, like show him a treat
and then ask them to step up.
- Okay. - And see if you get
a different response.
- [Noah] Yes, good boy.
- [Dave] Interesting, so we're gonna work
on some step up today.
(laughs)
- Good boy, you're really not in the mood are you?
- [Dave] That's all right.
All right, so go ahead and just let them hang for a sec
with you or on the perch is fine.
- But you see, that's what I meant about him
also being very scared of things.
Like, he's not used to all those people
and that's how he like that with everything new.
So it's like, that's another reason
why he doesn't wanna perform.
Cause he's like, I don't know who are you, who are you?
I don't wanna do it.
- [Jamieleigh] I'm just curious when you say,
like he's scared and stuff,
what makes you feel like he's scared of this?
- [Noah] 'Cause he will fly from it or he will attack it
or he'll be like that, he doesn't want to do anything
'cause if we'll have new people in the house
that he doesn't know,
he usually just come to me and wouldn't move
and be very, just very still, like he was here now,
like that he was very, just, he wasn't really relaxed,
he was just sort of keeping to himself.
And when, if it's something new,
that's why I brought like a new toy.
So, if I introduce him to this toy, usually he would just,
or try to attack it or try and fly from it.
- [Jamieleigh] 'Cause I didn't see any,
- I'm not seeing fear. - fear.
- [Jamieleigh] From being in here so far.
Like I've seen completely content.
I've seen opposite, like where he's not phased by anything.
So, not wanting to do something for me,
how I'm interpreting it,
is not through being scared of this room.
It's through just like chilling.
Like he looks really relaxed to me.
- [Woman] Yeah, like, where do I get one of them?
- [Jamieleigh] I just wanna make sure
that you're interpreting it correctly as well.
So, I'm sure what you described with introducing the toy,
sounds like fear for sure.
But just from what I've seen in here,
I've not seen him scared of anything.
So, have you felt like he's been scared in here?
- [Noah] In here no, in here he was just keep,
he was very relaxed.
- [Matt] He was rasping his back on my
shoulder earlier. - Yeah, he was very sweet.
- [Jamieleigh] So, he's chilling.
- [Noah] Come.
(clicks)
Good boy.
Come.
(clicks)
No.
- [Dave] Fastest eating eclectus I've seen!
- [Jamieleigh] He's the fastest moving eclectus I've seen.
(laughs)
- [Noah] What do you want me to do now?
- [Dave] See if you can get him to step up for a treat?
- [Noah] Up.
Up.
- [Dave] Can I see, can I see you do it, Matt?
- [Matt] Sure.
- [Dave] Let me see if he'll just step up for you for treat.
- [Matt] Kido, up.
Come on, up.
(clicks) Good boy!
I wasn't sure if you were going for it.
(laughs)
- [Dave] Good boy, cool, and back down.
Alright, so Matt, I'll have you do that again.
- [Matt] Yep.
- [Dave] I realized something you guys aren't gonna really
be able to see it from your angle there.
- [Noah] Do you want me to click or no?
- [Dave] I want, yeah, go ahead I'll have you click.
So, you're kind of, see you got the right timing.
- [Matt] (clicks) Good boy.
- [Dave] We're gonna use that same technique today
to get him to step up for Noah as well.
So, you'll just stand right next to him
and Matt, we'll do a few more step ups.
Noah, keep clicking.
- [Matt] Kido, up.
(clicks) Good boy.
- Good. - Good boy.
- [Dave] Now, for the next treat.
Matt, don't change how you're handling,
but you're not actually gonna have a treat
in your hand this time.
Noah's going to give the treat after the step up.
- [Matt] Kido, up.
(clicks) Good boy.
- Good boy.
- [Dave] Perfect.
And then Noah, stand a little bit closer
and we'll do the exact same thing.
- I'm giving the nut.
- [Matt] Kido, up.
Come on.
No?
- [Noah] Move back a bit?
- [Matt] Kido, up.
Come on.
- [Jamieleigh] I think it was the food exchange.
- Yeah. - He saw the food exchange.
- [Dave] He saw it (laughs).
- Here, I'll take a treat.
Here you go.
- [Dave] See if he'll step up for you now.
- For me?
- [Dave] Yeah, it might be easier since he's.
- Up. - A little bit more rhythm.
- [Jamieleigh] Did you put the treat down before you asked?
- Yes.
- [Jamieleigh] Why?
- I don't know, 'cause I wasn't able to hold it.
Ah, now you're doing tricks!
You little cheeky boy!
- [Dave] Do you want me to click for him?
- [Noah] Nah, that's all right.
Up.
No, we're not doing the shake, up.
- [Matt] Let me, I'll try grab another one.
- [Noah] Up.
No.
- [Dave] Why don't you drop the clicker,
I'll click for him.
- [Noah] Okay.
- [Dave] Let's see if you can hold the treat where Matt is.
- [Noah] Up.
No.
Up.
Come on Kido.
Up.
(clicks) Good boy.
- [Dave] Did you notice that,
I'm actually gonna turn you a little bit,
so everyone's able to see.
Did you notice how you had the treat too close?
- Yeah, and then he. - And then you have to
pull it away?
So that'll, you won't get very many opportunities
to make that mistake before he gets upset.
- [Noah] Okay.
- [Dave] So, just like with Addie,
we had her bring it slowly, closer and closer.
You you can always bring it closer.
- [Noah] But you can't take it back.
- [Dave] You shouldn't be pulling it away.
So, it started to frustrating him,
especially the older they get.
- [Noah] All right, are you going to click?
- [Dave] Yeah, I'll click for it.
- [Noah] Up.
(clicks) Good boy!
- [Dave] So, this is another really clear sign,
step up is a trick.
You know, we all want the bird
to just wanna do it naturally,
but you have to give him a darn good reason.
- Up.
Up.
No, you're not doing whatever you want.
(laughs)
Up.
(clicks) Good boy!
- And I'm gonna stop him there.
So, you could see that he has willingness to do the spin,
the spin was higher than wanting to step up.
Do you want to stop this before,
he just gets annoyed with this?
We made some progress.
That's how long a training session should be.
We've all been to a movie or a live show that you're like,
"Good God, is this thing ever gonna end?"
And we don't want the birds to be in that mentality of like,
"this training stuff, is it ever gonna end?"
We want it to be that high-power action thriller
that everybody's super excited and then it's over
and you can't believe it was an hour and a half?
That's what we want with the bird.
We want them to like have that really high-intensity
of the training where they're enjoying it
and then you end it with them wanting more.
It's critical and it'll keep him wanting to train.
It'll also keep him looking to you to ask for a behavior.
It's like, what you're wanting is him to do what you want.
So, by keeping those training sessions short
and leaving him wanting more,
he's always gonna be looking to you for another opportunity.
- Typically, he'll listen to Noah first,
which is why were so surprised that he hopped up
on my finger before he hopped up on Noah's.
- [Dave] My observation, and maybe you guys,
once I turned the vid you could see
your handling was always consistent.
Yours varied.
- [Noah] Oh okay.
- [Dave] Right, sometimes you put down the clicker,
'cause it was all this fumbling, all these different things.
So, feel free to do the session where you're clicking
and you're clicking, right when that second foot touches
is the exact moment.
And think of the clicker,
this is really important for everybody,
that the clicker is a photographer in the audience
taking a flash photo of the exact moment you wanna repeat.
When that photo comes out, that's what you want.
So, it doesn't mean that the bird stepped up
and back to the perch, you took a picture,
'cause that's not what you want.
You want the bird to step there.
And that's the click.
That's the photo moment that you wanna capture.
So, if you start thinking of that as taking a photo,
a permanent photo of what you want, that might help.
So, if you're the one clicking while she's doing the step up
and Noah, you're gonna find you can be more consistent.
And then once the bird understands it's a trick,
you don't need to use the clicker every time.
But especially in the beginning is where reframing that,
hey, step up is trick,
it's critical that we start using that clicker
and just it'll go away faster
through the use of the clicker with you guys.
Going back to a step up, when your bird knows how to spin,
seems like it might be insignificant.
There's so much more value that's coming out of it.
Like, it exposed that your handling
is slightly inconsistent where yours isn't.
So, where you naturally might be the 40 on a 60, 40,
if you are the one that handles him more consistently,
then that might switch
because you're more predictable
with what the interaction and your intention is gonna be.
- [Jamieleigh] Yeah also, I think you guys would benefit
from videotaping your interactions.
So, I think you're gonna notice
how many different variations you actually insert.
When you asked him to step up it was very simple.
It was like, just step up, step back down,
like nothing else happened.
But when you do it, a lot of other things happen.
Like there's talking, there's praise, there's mood changes.
There's swift of body, like your body changes.
You kiss him sometimes, sometimes you don't.
Sometimes you bring him close, sometimes you don't.
So, it wasn't like, okay, he asks me,
I know all I have to do is this simple, one task.
So, I think videotaping your sessions
is gonna open your eyes
so that you can catch onto those nuances.
'Cause you don't know that you're doing 'em
and that's just who you are.
That's just how you move.
So, we see them,
'cause this is our first time seeing you guys,
we're just keeping that in mind.
- [Noah] Yeah, thank you.
- And especially if you have a pattern like yesterday,
we broke down in the workshops, A, B, C.
So, if the behavior that you are finding is,
he's not stepping up, what's the antecede
and what's the consequence.
Are you picking him up and then trying to pet him?
And he doesn't like petting?
So, like with the case that we talked about with Claudia,
the bird would fly to her, she'd give a treat,
but then she'd jump up and down,
she'd pet the bird and she'd scream at it.
Like, "Yeah, good job".
Well, if those three were punishments
and the only reinforcement was a treat,
you are punishing a bird for flying to you.
So, there might be that happening, unbeknownst to you,
you might be picking him up
and then there's small punishments
that maybe he doesn't wanna be held close
and it could be as minor as that,
you know, maybe he doesn't like nail polish,
maybe he doesn't like just something that's happening
and he dislikes that more than he likes the treat,
and that might be what you're having.
So, the inconsistency with the handling could be,
in essence, a plus punishment.
And so, once that's fixed,
then your plus reinforcement's gonna be more powerful.
- Okay. - And on the opposite side
of that, it could be rewarding.
So, it could be, that's why you are a 60 at home
and he is 40, it's 'cause you're more fun,
you're more lively, you do those things that he does like.
It just might be this change of environment.
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