KNOWING THEY’RE FIGHTING THE
GOOD FIGHT, PART OF THE WHITE
HOUSE’S STRATEGY TO TRY TO PAINT
TROY AS SIMPLY POLITICAL
I WANT TO BRING IN ANOTHER
FORMER ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL
WHO RECENTLY HAS COME OUT
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, ELIZABETH
NEWMAN, SERVED AS THE ASSISTANT
SECRETARY FOR THREAT PREVENTION
AND SECURITY POLICY AT DHS, NOW
WITH THE GROUP REPAIR REPUBLICAN
POLITICAL ALLIANCE FOR INTEGRITY
AND REFORM
THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THE SHOW.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME
>> YOU SAY YOU TALKED WITH
OLIVIA TROY, I THINK IT WAS LAST
WEEK, AS SHE WAS GETTING READY
TO HAVE THIS DIGITAL AD BE
RELEASE THE AND WHAT SHE TOLD
YOU BROUGHT YOU TO TEARS
WHY?
CAN YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT WAS
SO EMOTIONAL ABOUT THAT
CONVERSATION
>> YOU KNOW, IN THE ROLE I HAD
IN APRIL, THE ROLE I HAD I WAS
WATCHING THE EFFECTS OF THE
CHAOS THAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE
WHITE HOUSE AND I COULD TELL
SOMETHING WAS REALLY, REALLY
WRONG ABOUT OUR RESPONSE
TO HEAR FIRSTHAND FROM OLIVIA,
WHO WAS IN THE ROOM, WHY THINGS
WERE SO CHAOTIC, THAT IT WASN’T
JUST INEXPERIENCED PEOPLE WITH
DEALING WITH SOMETHING NOVEL,
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT
REALIZING THEY NEEDED TO RELY ON
THEIR GOVERNMENT EXPERTS AND
PUBLIC HEALTH AND EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT COMMUNITY, BUT, IN
FACT, IT WASN’T JUST
INCOMPETENCE
THERE WAS DESIGN HERE, THERE WAS
INTENTIONAL NEGLIGENCE AND TO
HEAR HER EXPLAIN WHAT SHE
WITNESSED, IT JUST BROKE MY
HEART THAT IN OUR COUNTRY THAT
COULD HAPPEN
AND THERE WAS A STUDY THAT CAME
OUT THIS WEEK THAT PUT THIS INTO
CONTEXT.
WHY OLIVIA’S TESTIMONY MATTERS,
BROOKINGS INSTITUTE LOOKED AT
OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THE GLOBE
AND OUR CURRENT COUNTRY AND
COMPARED, THESE ARE COUNTRIES
THAT HAVE STANDARDS OF LIVING
LIKE OURS, THAT HAVE ACCESS TO
HEALTHCARE LIKE OURS, AND THEY
DISCOVERED THAT BECAUSE OF THE
WAY THAT WE IMPLEMENTED COVID
MEASURES, IF WE HAD IMPLEMENTED
LIKE OTHER COUNTRIES, WE WOULD
HAVE 9 MILLION, 9 MILLION MORE
PEOPLE WORKING TODAY
AND THERE WOULD BE 100,000
PEOPLE NOT DEAD.
SO PUT THAT -- WE HAVE ALMOST
200,000 DEAD, HALF OF THOSE
LIVES WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED IF
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAD
FOLLOWED THE PLANS THAT WE HAD
IN PLACE, HAD IN PLACE FOR 15
YEARS, AND HAD ACTED RESPONSIBLY
THE WAY MANY OTHER GOVERNMENTS
ACROSS THE GLOBE HAVE.
AND HEARING THAT FIRSTHAND
ACCOUNT OF WHAT SHE WITNESSED,
IT JUST WAS SO DEVASTATING, THIS
IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR
COUNTRY.
>> ELIZABETH, MY OTHER JOB IS
COVERING THE WHITE HOUSE FOR NBC
NEWS
ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ASKED VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE ABOUT OLIVIA
TROY SPECIFICALLY.
PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ALSO ASKED
ABOUT HER.
I WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU WHAT BOTH
OF THEM ARE SAYING
>> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SHE IS.
I DON’T MET HER -- I NEVER MET
HER, TO THE BEST OF MY
KNOWLEDGE.
>> IT READS TO ME LIKE ONE MORE
DISGRUNTLED EMPLOYEE WHO LEFT
THE WHITE HOUSE.
AND DECIDED TO PLAY POLITICS
DURING AN ELECTION YEAR.
>> THE WHITE HOUSE ALSO CALLED
YOU, ELIZABETH, A DISGRUNTLED
EMPLOYEE AND I WONDER WHAT YOU
SAY TO CRITICS WHO ARGUE THAT
HAD YOU OR OTHERS COME FORWARD
WHILE YOU WERE STILL SERVING THE
ADMINISTRATION, THAT MIGHT HAVE
ACTUALLY HAD MORE POWER IF YOU
EXPRESS THOSE CONCERNS PUBLICLY
AT THE TIME.
>> I THINK THERE ARE SO MANY OF
US AT THIS POINT THAT HAVE
RECEIVED THE DISGRUNTLED LABEL
THAT I’M PROUD TO BE A PART OF
THAT GROUP THAT IS SPEAKING OUT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU’RE ON THE
INSIDE, YOU -- THERE IS GOOD
WORK THAT YOU’RE ABLE TO DO,
ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLIER YEARS.
WE WERE ABLE TO -- A LOT OF THAT
SO I THINK IT IS SOMETIMES WHEN
YOU’RE IN THE MOMENT, IT IS
REALLY HARD TO DISCERN WHETHER
IT IS BEST IF I KEEP MY JOB AND
TRY TO HELP FROM THE INSIDE AND
WHEN THAT MOMENT IS TO SPEAK
OUT.
CERTAINLY I HEARD IN THE LEAD-IN
THAT THEY’RE CALLING THIS
POLITICAL AND, YOU’RE, LIKE, OF
COURSE, IT IS POLITICAL, WE HAVE
AN ELECTION IN TWO MONTHS AND
YOU’RE NOT TELLING THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE THE TRUTH
SO WE FEEL COMPELLED TO SHARE
WHAT WE SAW ON THE INSIDE, SO
THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN
MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE
FACTS, NOT BASED ON THIS SPIN
THAT SOMEHOW THEY RAN THE
PANDEMIC RESPONSE EVER
IT IS JUST SO FAR FROM THE
REALITY OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN
THIS LAST YEAR
>> I HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT,
ELIZABETH.
TROY TOLD THE "WASHINGTON POST"
THERE ARE OTHERS WHO SHE
BELIEVES WILL COME FORWARD, YOU
SERVED IN THE ADMINISTRATION,
SOMEBODY WHO WORKS WITH YOUR
GROUP AS WELL SUGGESTED PERHAPS
ANONYMOUS, THE PERSON THAT WROTE
THE OP-ED THAT MADE SO MANY
WAVES MAY REVEAL THEMSELVES.
IS IT YOUR EXPECTATION WE MAY
FIND OUT WHO ANONYMOUS IS BEFORE
THE ELECTION, WE MAY HEAR FROM
HIM OR OTHERS OR OTHERS THAT
USED TO WORK FOR THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION
>> I DON’T KNOW ABOUT ANONYMOUS,
THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY COME
OUT.
AND WE ARE TALKING TO OTHER
PEOPLE WHO ARE THINKING THROUGH
A NUMBER OF FACTORS ABOUT WHEN
THEY’RE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING,
WHEN THEY’RE GOING TO SPEAK OUT
AND SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE
MANY PEOPLE HAVE VERY IMPORTANT
JOBS NOW AND IT WOULD BE
IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO STAY WHERE
THEY ARE MAKING OUR COUNTRY
SAFE
THERE IS -- THERE SAYIS A BALANC
HERE, YOU NEED THE FEW ADULTS
LEFT IN THE ROOM TO STAY TO TRY