LAUREN: WELL, HE MIGHT BE
ENJOYING THE FLORIDA SUNSHINE ON
A WORKING VACATION BUT PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAS NOT STOPPED TWEETING
UP A STORM.
DO YOU THINK HE WOULD?
THE PRESIDENT AIMING HIS LATEST
TWEET AT CHINA, AFTER U.S. SPY
SATELLITES CAUGHT CHINA
THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID.
THERE WILL NEVER BE A FRIENDLY
HAPPEN.
SO WE ASK WHAT CAN WE EXPECT
FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S
FOREIGN POLICY AGENDA IN 2018.
WE BRING IN FOUNDATION FOR
DEFENSIVE DEMOCRAT SAY FOUNDER
CLIFF MAY.
HI CLIFF.
HI LAUREN GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
LAUREN: DO YOU AGREE WITH THE
PRESIDENT THERE'S NEVER A
SOLUTION TO NORTH KOREA?
>> THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A
SOLUTION, A FRIENDLY SOLUTION TO
NORTH KOREA UNLESS THE CHINESE
BEGIN TO COOPERATE WITH US.
THEY'RE NOT DOING SO, SO LONG AS
THEY THINK THIS IS AN AMERICAN
PROBLEM.
OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE NORTH KOREA
INTO A CHINESE PROBLEM BUT THE
CHINESE PROBLEM THEY WILL BE
INTERESTED SOLVING IT AND THAT
TAKES MORE SANCTIONS, NOT JUST
IN NORTH KOREA BUT PROBABLY ON
CHINA AS WELL AND THE PRESIDENT
IS RIGHT TO BE DISAPPOINTED AND
IS RIGHT TO SEND WHAT AMOUNTS TO
A FRIENDLY WARNING TO THE
CHINESE THAT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING
TO HELP US YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
LIKE THE SOLUTIONS WE COME UP
WITH.
LAUREN: WHAT ARE THOSE SOLUTIONS
AND QUITE HONESTLY CLIFF WHAT
ELSE IS LEFT TO SANCTION?
>> OH, NO THERE'S A LOT LEFT TO
SANCTION.
PEOPLE THINK THAT NORTH KOREA IS
THE MOST SANCTIONED COUNTRY IN
THE WORLD.
IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IT.
WE HAVEN'T HAD THE KIND OF
SANCTIONS THAT AT ONE POINT
BROAD IRAN TO THE TABLE.
THOSE SANCTIONS WERE LIFTED IN
I THINK BUT NO THERE'S STILL A
LOT OF SANCTIONING TO DO AND
TAKES A WHILE FOR THE SANCTIONS
TO HAVE THE IMPACT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY KIM
JONG-UN NEEDS TO FEEL THAT MY
AMERICANS.
WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT POINT
YET.
NOW HE MAY SAY BECAUSE TO BE
RATIONAL LET THE ECONOMY IMPLODE
AS LONG AS I HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPON
S IN WAYS TO DELIVER THEM
TO AMERICAN CITIES I DON'T CARE
AND IN THAT CASE, WE DO HAVE TO
BE CONSIDERING AND I GUARANTEE
YOU THE PENTAGON IS LOOKING AT
VARIOUS MILITARY APPROACHES TO
THIS PROBLEM.
THAT SHOULD BE THE LAST RESORT
AND IT WILL BE THE LAST RESORT
BUT THE ECONOMIC WEAPONS HAVE
NOT BEEN EXHAUSTED YET AND AGAIN
, THOSE ECONOMIC WEAPONS
NEED TO BE APPLIED NOT JUST IN
NORTH KOREA BUT ALSO TO CHINA.
CHINA MUST RECOGNIZE WE'RE NOT
GOING TO HAVE NORMAL RELATIONS
THE KIND THAT YOU WANT THAT
BE CHEMICAL AGENTS ON THOSE
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
I WANT TO MOVE ON TO RUSSIA FOR
RUSSIA.
HOW IS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
HOW IS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA?
SO FAR WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE BUT
FOR YEARS, PREVIOUS
ADMINISTRATION IGNORED ALL OF
THE WARNINGS ABOUT RUSSIA.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> WELL, I THINK THAT'S TRUE.
VLADIMIR PUTIN WAS SOMEBODY THAT
PRESIDENT BUSH LOOKED IN HIS
EYES AND HE THOUGHT HE SAW A
GOOD MAN AND THAT WAS INCORRECT.
PRESIDENT OBAMA THOUGHT WE COULD
RESET RELATIONS THAT ACTUALLY
HAD LOTS OF COMMONALITIES THAT
IT WAS JUST THE PROBLEM WAS BUSH
NOT PUTIN AND THE IDEA OF RESET
TING RELATIONS WAS A TOTAL
PUTIN IS.
HE'S NOT FRIENDLY TO THE UNITED
STATES.
HE'S NOT FRIENDLY TO NATO.
HE FEELS THAT THE COLLAPSE OF
THE SOVIET UNION WAS THE
GREATEST TRAGEDY OF THE 20TH
CENTURY AND HIS GOAL AND HE
BELIEVES THE GOAL OF ANY RUSSIAN
LEADER OR RULER OR CZAR IS TO
EXPAND THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE.
HE IS ATTEMTPTING TO RE
CONSTITUTE A RUSSIAN EMPIRE
AND BY THE WAY, HE IS SUCCEEDING
EAST HE'S STILL SUCCEEDING BUT
THERE'S A MORE REALISTIC
ATTITUDE AS WITNESSED THE
TRANSFER OF LETHAL WEAPONS TO
THE UKRAINE NOW BY THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
LAUREN: REX TILLERSON SECRETARY
OF STATE BROUGHT ALL OF THIS UP
IN THE NEW YORK TIMES OP ED
WRITING THE UNITED STATES TODAY
HAS A POOR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
RESURGE RENT RUSSIA THAT HAS
INVADED ITS NEIGHBORS GEORGIA
AND UKRAINE AND UNDERMINED THE
SOVEREIGNTY OF WESTERN NATIONS
BY MEDALING IN OUR ELECTIONS.
SO WHAT IS OUR RUSSIA POLICY FOR
SECURITY ADDRESS BY PRESIDENT
TRUMP, HOW DO WE APPROACH RUSSIA
ABOUT HOW THOSE ELECTIONS COME
SECURITY STRATEGY THAT CAME OUT
OF THE ADMINISTRATION LAST WEEK,
IT'S A VERY SERIOUS DOCUMENT
UNLIKE THE 2015 OBAMA NATIONAL
SECURITY STRATEGY WHICH SAID
WE'RE FOR DENUCLEARIZATION OF
THE KOREAN PENINSULA BUT DID
NOTHING AS THE NORTH KOREANS
REGIMES IN IRAN, REVISIONS
REGIMES IN RUSSIA, WE HAVE TO
APPROACH THESE SERIOUSLY AND
UNDERSTAND THERE IS A REAL
THREAT.
WE CAN'T SIMPLY RELY ON THE
HISTORY BANNING TOWARD JUSTICE.
THE HISTORY IS GOING TO BE BENT
BY THE TYRANTS UNLESS WE GRAB IT
AND BEND IT OURSELVES.
LOT OF CHALLENGING TIMES AHEAD
BUT THIS AT LEAST THE NATIONAL
SECURITY STRATEGY OF THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION RECOGNIZES THE
THREATS AND CHALLENGES WE FACE
THE OBAMA NATIONAL SECURITY
STRATEGY SAY OUR BIGGEST THREAT
IS CLIMATE CHANGE, MENTIONING
THAT 13 TIMES AS THE MAJOR
NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT.
THAT'S REALLY NOT THE CASE.
GOES ON BUT THIS PRESIDENT CLIFF
SAYING AMERICA FIRST AND WE'RE
GOING TO REABOUT TO THESE