>>> TODAY, THE SITTING PRESIDENT’S LONGEST-SERVING
PRESIDENT’S LONGEST-SERVING ADVISER IS ON TRIAL FOR
SEVERALFULNESS FOR ALLEGATIONS
RELATING TO HOW THIS PRESIDENT
WAS ELECTED.
WAS ELECTED. THIS IS THE LEGAL FINALE THAT
BEGAN WITH THAT DRAMATIC 2018
ARREST, WHEN TRUMP ADVISER ROGER
STONE BECAME THE LAST-KNOWN
TRUMP ASSOCIATE EVER ARRESTED IN
THE MUELLER PROBE.
THIS NOW INCLUDES THIS CASE, A
FORMER MUELLER PROSECUTOR,
PUSHING EVIDENCE THIS WEEK,
ARGUING PRESIDENT TRUMP
BASICALLY MISLED BOB MUELLER, A
POTENTIAL CRIME.
POTENTIAL CRIME. OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULD NORMALLY
BE THE TOP STORY IN THE NATION,
EVERYTHING I JUST LISTED OFF,
BUT THESE ARE NOT NORMAL TIMES.
AND THUS, ONLY NOW DO WE TURN IN
THIS BROADCAST TO THE TRIAL OF
ROGER STONE.
ROGER STONE. IT STARTED WITH A BANG.
ALLEGATIONS THAT ROGER STONE
TALKED TO DONALD TRUMP TWICE
DURING THE CAMPAIGN, WHICH IS
CONTRARY TO TRUMP’S TESTIMONY TO
MUELLER.
MUELLER. AND IT CONTINUED TODAY WITH
PROSECUTORS LAYING OUT EVIDENCE
AND TEXT, DESIGNED TO SHOW THAT
STONE TAMPERED WITH A WITNESS.
THE TEXTS RANGED FROM POTENTIAL
JOKES TO POTENTIAL THREATS TO
REFERENCES TO THE PRESS AND EVEN
"THE BEAT," AND THE MAN STONE
CLAIMED AS HIS BACK-CHANNEL TO
WIKILEAKS AT ONE POINT, RANDY
CREDICO, TOOK THE STAND,
TESTIFYING UNDER OATH THAT HE
WAS NOT THE BACK-CHANNEL TO
WIKILEAKS.
WIKILEAKS. IF ANY OF THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR,
IT MAY BE BECAUSE CREDICO MADE
THAT CLAIM RIGHT HERE ON "THE
BEAT."
BEAT." ONE OF SEVERAL INTERVIEWS WE
HAVE DONE WITH MUELLER
WITNESSES.
WITNESSES. AND WE HAVE HEARD FROM BOTH
POTENTIAL BACK-CHANNEL CHANNELS
WIKILEAKS AT THIS POINT, BOTH
CREDICO AND JEROME CORSI.
WE’VE HEARD FROM OTHERS LIKE
MICHAEL CAPUTO AND STEVE BANNON
AND CARTER PAGE, SAM NUNBERG.
WE HEAR FROM THESE INDIVIDUALS
AS FACT WITNESSES.
MUELLER WANTED TO SPEAK WITH
THEM FOR WHAT THEY SAW, WHAT
THEY EXPERIENCED, WHAT THEY
KNEW, AND SO DO WE.
WHICH BRINGS US TO OUR EXCLUSIVE
GUEST TONIGHT, MAKING HER
FIRST-EVER APPEARANCE ON "THE
BEAT," MUELLER WITNESS, KRISTIN
DAVIS, A LONGTIME ASSOCIATE AND
FRIEND OF ROGER STONE AND
REMAINS IN TOUCH WITH HIM DURING
HIS TRIAL.
HIS TRIAL. IN HER MUELLER TESTIFY, HE
IDENTIFIED STONE’S INTERMEDIARY
AS RANDY CREDICO.
AND SHE IS HERE FOR AN EXCLUSIVE
INTERVIEW.
INTERVIEW. HER FIRST SINCE THE BEGINNING OF
THIS TRIAL.
THIS TRIAL. THANKS FOR COMING ON THE BATEEAT
>> THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
BE HERE.
BE HERE. >> I APPRECIATE IT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT
WITH YOUR FRIEND AND ALLY, ROGER
STONE, A COUPLES OF DAYS INTO
THIS, AS THE GOVERNMENT MAKES
THE CASE THAT HE LIED TO
CONGRESS, THAT HE TAMPERED WITH
A WITNESS, THAT HE BASICALLY DID
A LOT OF LYING ABOUT ACCESS TO
WIKILEAKS IN ORDER TO PROTECT
DONALD TRUMP?
DONALD TRUMP? >> I THINK THERE’S A LOT OF
THINGS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
FROM THE START OF THE
INVESTIGATION, WHICH WAS LED BY
HILLARY CLINTON’S PERSONAL
ATTORNEY, ROGER WROTE A BOOK,
"THE CLINTON’S WAR ON WOMEN,"
THEY’VE BEEN AT A POLITICAL
WARFARE FOR MANY YEARS, SO I
THINK THAT WAS UNFAIR AND SHE’S
PROBABLY NOT CAPABLE OF
CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION
FAIRLY.
FAIRLY. SECONDARILY, THE JUDGE HAS
DENIED HIS LINE OF DEFENSE OF
BEING ABLE TO ARGUE THAT THERE
WAS NO CORRUPT INTENT FOR THE
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE CHARGE.
I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO NOTE
THAT THE MUELLER REPORT ITSELF
IDENTIFIED THREE TENANTS OF AN
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE CHARGE,
THE THIRD BEING CORRUPT INTENT.
AND ROGER WAS INVESTIGATED AND
ARRESTED BY THE MUELLER TEAM.
AND HE’S NOT BEING HELD TO THE
SAME STANDARDS, AS IDENTIFIED BY
THEM.
THEM. I THINK IT’S ALSO IMPORTANT TO
NOTE THAT HE WAS ASKED 600 TIMES
ABOUT WIKILEAKS, ASSANGE, AND
AFTER 600 TIMES, I THINK, YOU
KNOW, FIVE TIMES OF ERROR IS A
FAIRLY REASONABLE PERCENTAGE.
>> YOUR ARGUMENT BEING, YOU
DON’T THINK HE WAS MALICIOUSLY
INTENDING TO COMMIT THE CRIME,
AND THAT THE ERRORS THAT HE MAY
HAVE MADE WEREN’T DELIBERATE?
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AS A
DEFENSE.
DEFENSE. AND WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR SIDE.
THE CONTACTS WITH MR. CREDICO,
WHICH ARE ADMITTEDLY BAROQUE AND
INVOLVE PETS, I WANT TO PUT UP
ON THE SCREEN, BECAUSE SOME OF
THESE WERE READ IN TRIAL TODAY.
STONE SAYING IN THESE TEXTS,
QUOTE, STONEWALL IT, PLEAD THE
FIFTH, DO THE GODFATHER DODGE.
PREPARE TO DIE.
AND THEN THAT HE WOULD, QUOTE,
TAKE THAT DOG AWAY FROM MR.
CREDICO.
CREDICO. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT IS FAIR
THAT THE PROSECUTORS ARE
INTRODUCING THOSE TEXTS AS
EVIDENCE THAT ROGER STONE WANTED
TO INTIMIDATE MR. CREDICO OR
HARM HIM OR HIS PET?
>> I DON’T BELIEVE THAT ROGER
STONE WAS TRYING TO INTIMIDATE
HIM.
HIM. I THINK YOU’RE ONLY SEEING ONE
SIDE OF THOSE TEXTS.
THE TWO OF THEM HAVE HAD A
HORRIBLY ABUSIVE FRENEMY
RELATIONSHIP FOR A COUPLE OF
DECADES.
DECADES. >> HAVE YOU BEEN A PERSONAL
WITNESS TO THAT?
>> I HAVE BEEN.
IN 2010 AT MY GUBERNATORIAL
CAMPAIGN EVENT, RANDY CREDICO
STARTED HECKLING ME AND THEY GOT
INTO A FISTFIGHT.
I’VE TAKEN PHONE CALLS FROM
RANDY HIGH AT 3:00 IN THE
MORNING, SCREAMING AT ME ABOUT
ROGER STONE, HE’S GOING TO
TESTIFY AGAINST HIM IN SOME
UNKNOWN INVESTIGATION.
UNKNOWN INVESTIGATION. I THINK AT THIS POINT, FROM WHAT
WE’VE SEEN, FROM RANDY CREDICO
TODAY, IT’S PRETTY EVIDENT THAT
HE JUST PULLED A VERY SERIOUS
DIRTY TRICK ON ROGER STONE.
HE ADMITTED ON THE STAND THAT HE
ACCEPTED A MESSAGE TO PASS ALONG
TO ASSANGE.
TO ASSANGE. SO THE WHOLE TIME HE’S
PRETENDING TO BE A BACK-CHANNEL
AND PLAYING ROGER AND
EMBELLISHING HIS ROLE WITH
ASSANGE AND --
>> LET’S DIG INTO THAT.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
IT RELATES TO THE CHARGES
AGAINST STONE AND ALSO THE
PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHETHER
OR NOT, AS THE MUELLER TEAM
INVESTIGATED, THERE REALLY WAS
SOME SORT OF NEFARIOUS PLOT TO
GET INSIDE INTEL FROM WIKILEAKS.
MR. CREDICO SPOKE ABOUT THAT,
YOU SAY, TODAY IN TRIAL.
WE ALSO ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT
HERE.
HERE. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
MISTAKES THAT ROGER APPEARS TO
HAVE MADE WAS TO PUBLICLY BRAG
THAT HE HAD A WIKILEAKS
BACK-CHANNEL.
BACK-CHANNEL. HEP BROUGHT SOME OF THAT ON
HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. THIS IS WHAT RANDY TOLD US ABOUT
THAT WHEN WE PRESSED.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> DO YOU EVER CARRY MESSAGES
FROM JULIAN ASSANGE ABOUT WHAT
HE MIGHT PLAN TO DO OR THE
NATURE OF HIS WORK TO OTHER
PEOPLE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE
WORLD?
WORLD? >> NO.
>> NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
ABSOLUTELY NOT. I TOTALLY DENY.
WAS I THE BACK-CHANNEL?
NO, I WAS NOT THE BACK-CHANNEL.
>> HE SAYS HE WAS NOT THE
BACK-CHANNEL.
BACK-CHANNEL. YOUR DEFENSE, ON BEHALF OF ROGER
STONE IS THAT RANDY CREDICO
TRICKED ROGER STONE?
>> FIRST OFF, MY DEFENSE IS, I
HEARD RANDY CREDICO ADMIT TO IT
IN MY OWN APARTMENT, IN 2017.
HE TOLD MYSELF AND A FILM
PRODUCER NAMED DAVID LUGO THAT
HE WAS THE BACK-CHANNEL.
SO, I MEAN, BY HIS OWN ACCORD,
HE WAS, IN A TIME WHERE IT
WASN’T AS HEATED AN ENVIRONMENT,
HE WAS TAKING CREDIT FOR IT.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY RECORDS OF
THAT?
THAT? >> I MEAN, DAVID LUGO HAS GONE
ON THE RECORD.
HE’S A POTENTIAL WITNESS IN THE
CASE.
CASE. >> SO YOU BOTH ATTEST TO THAT?
WHICH GOES TO WHETHER, BEYOND A
SHADOW OF A DOUBT, REASONABLE
DOUBT, WHETHER MR. STONE IS
GOING TO FACE THIS JURY OR GO TO
JAIL POTENTIALLY, YOU WERE
SAYING AT ONE POINT, THEY AGREED
ON THIS STORY AND THAT STORY
ITSELF WASN’T TRUE, BECAUSE HE
WASN’T REALLY A BACK-CHANNEL TO
WIKILEAKS.
WIKILEAKS. >> I DON’T KNOW WHETHER THEY
AGREED TO THE STORY, BECAUSE I
THOUGHT ROGER THOUGHT HE WAS
TALKING TO OR AT LEAST TRYING TO
CONTACT HIM.
CONTACT HIM. THOUGH NOTHING EVER CAME FROM
THAT.
THAT. BUT I THINK THAT RANDY WAS
EMBELLISHING HIS RELATIONSHIP
WITH ASSANGE.
WITH ASSANGE. ALSO, EVIDENT IN THIS FAKE
PICTURE, THIS REAL PICTURE,
OUTSIDE OF THE ECUADORIAN
EMBASSY.
EMBASSY. SO YOU JUST DID THAT AND SENT
THAT TO STONE TO FURTHER THIS
STORY THAT HE’S KEEPING?
WHY WOULD ROGER HAVE THOUGHT
THAT WAS A SERIOUS PICTURE.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT SOME OF
THIS TRIAL RELATES TO PEOPLE
BLUFFING AND AGGRANDIZING
THEMSELVESES INTO A STORY AND
NOW THE STORY HAS TURNED DARK?
>> I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN ROGER’S
DEFENSE, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE
TO UNDERSTAND THAT HE’S A
SHOWMAN.
SHOWMAN. HE’S AN ILLUSIONIST.
AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU BUY A
TICKET FOR THE SHOW, YOU DON’T
NECESSARILY THINK THAT THE
ILLUSIONIST SAWED A WOMAN IN
HALF.
HALF. YOU ARE HAPPY WITH THE SHOW AND
THE PERFORMANCE.
THE PERFORMANCE. AND IN THE BEGINNING, HE SAID HE
HAD SPOKEN TO ASSANGE.
AND THEN HE QUICKLY REALIZED
THAT THAT WAS AN EMBELLISHMENT.
AND HE NEEDED TO CORRECT IT.
AND HIS STORY SINCE THEN HASN’T
CHANGED.
CHANGED. >> YOU’RE SAYING SOMETHING THAT
WE’VE REPORTED HERE, YOU HAVE TO
LOOK AT ENTIRE CONTEXT OF ROGER
STONE’S CAREER AS A DIRTY
TRICKSTER TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND
WHERE HE FITS INTO ALL OF THIS.
BUT DON’T YOU THINK THAT HE
STILL HAD A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO
END THE SHOW WHEN HE WAS
SPEAKING TO THE AUTHORITIES AND
CONGRESS?
CONGRESS? TO NOT OBSTRUCT?
>> I THINK HE DID.
HE WENT THERE VOLUNTARILY.
HE WASN’T SUBPOENAED.
I THINK HIS STATE OF MIND WAS TO
CLEAR HIS NAME.
AND I DON’T THINK, YOU KNOW, IF
YOU’VE BEEN TRICKED INTO SAYING
THAT’S CORRECT OR "NO" AFTER 600
QUESTIONS, I DON’T THINK THAT’S
FAIR.
FAIR. >> UNDERSTOOD.
>> UNDERSTOOD. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU MAKING
THE TIME FOR US AND APPEARING
HEAR ON "THE BEAT" AS PART OF
THIS WEEK OF THE TRIAL.