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JOSH: THIS SUNDAY ON "CLOSE UP,"
HOW TED CRUZ PLANS ON
CAMPAIGNING BEFORE THE NEW
HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY.
DOES HE SEE DONALD TRUMP AS HIS
MAIN COMPETITION?
IS THERE A STRUGGLE FOR
MAINSTREAM VOTE IN THE
PRIMARY?WE ASK CHRIS CHRISTIE
ABOUT HIS EFFORT TO BRING VOTERS
TO SEE THAT HE'S THE MOST
QUALIFIED.
EARLY ON, HE WAS SEEN AS A
POLARIZING FIGURE.
NOW MANY SEE TED CRUZ'S CAMPAIGN
AS A CONSERVATIVE ALTERNATIVE TO
DONALD TRUMP.
CAN HE CAPITALIZE ON HIS IMAGE?
SEN. CRUZ: GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
JOSH: LET'S START WITH DONALD
TRUMP.
DO YOU BELIEVE HE'S A
CONSERVATIVE AND ARGUE THE
ALTERNATIVE?
SEN. CRUZ: WHETHER HE IS A
CONSERVATIVE IS THE JUDGMENT
THESE OWNERS HAVE TO.
IT DOES SEEM THIS IS BECOMING A
TWO-MAN RACE BETWEEN DONALD
AND ME, I'M IN FIRST PLACE IN
IOWA AND HE SECOND.
HE'S IN FIRST IN NEW HAMPSHIRE
AND I'M SECOND.
WE ARE TIED FOR FIRST IN SOUTH
CAROLINA.
SECOND IN FLORIDA AND I'M FIRST
IN CALIFORNIA.
WE ARE SEEING THE FIELD
SEPARATING.
THAT IS THE RESULT OF
CONSERVATIVE UNITING BEHIND OUR
CAMPAIGN.
WE ARE SEEING THE REAGAN
COALITION COMING BACK TOGETHER.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO WIN, YOU GOT
TO BRING TOGETHER DISPARATE
PARTS OF THE PARTY,
CONSERVATIVES, LIBERTARIANS AND
EVANGELICALS.
HE'S GOT TO BRING TOGETHER JOHN
PEOPLE, HISPANICS,
AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS, WOMEN
AND DEMOCRATS.
HERE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE IN
PARTICULAR, CONSERVATIVES AND
LIBERTARIANS ARE UNITING BEHIND
OUR CAMPAIGN.
JOSH: WE WILL SEE IF THE POLLS
REFLECT ELECTION DAY.
DONALD TRUMP, NOW THAT HE SEES
IT ARE GAINING MOMENTUM, HE IS
TALKING ABOUT MAYBE HE IS NOT
EVEN QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT,
GIVEN THE FACT THAT YOU WERE
BORN IN CANADA, ANY PROBLEMS?
SEN. CRUZ: AS A LEGAL PROBLEM,
UNDER THE CONSTITUTION FROM THE
BEGINNING OF THIS COUNTRY, THE
CHILD OF A U.S. CITIZEN BORN
ABROAD IS A NATURAL BORN
CITIZEN.
MY MOM WAS A NATURAL BORN
CITIZEN BY BIRTH, SO I WAS A
CITIZEN BY BIRTH.
IF YOU TRAVEL ABROAD, YOUR CHILD
IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
IF SOLDIERS ARE ABROAD, THEIR
CHILDREN ARE NATURAL BORN
CITIZENS.
IF AMERICAN MISSIONARIES ARE
ABROAD, THEIR PARENTS
ARE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS.
JOHN MCCAIN WAS BORN ABROAD BUT
HAS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
MITT ROMNEY'S THOUGHT IT WAS
BORN ABROAD BUT IS A NATURAL
BORN CITIZEN.
BARRY GOLDWATER WAS BORN IN
ARIZONA BEFORE ARIZONA WAS A
STATE BUT HE WAS A NATURAL BORN
CITIZEN.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE
ATTACK IS HAPPENING.
THREE WEEKS AGO, JUST ABOUT
EVERY CANDIDATE WAS ATTACKING
DONALD TRUMP.
TODAY, THE CANDIDATES ARE
ATTACKING ME.
I UNDERSTAND THAT DONALD AND
OTHER CANDIDATES ARE REALLY
NERVOUS.
THEY DO NOT LIKE SEEING
CONSERVATIVES UNITING BEHIND OUR
CAMPAIGN SO THEY WANT TO
DISTRACT THE MEDIA WITH SILLY
SIDESHOWS.
MY VIEW, I HAVE NOT RESPONDED IN
KIND WHEN OTHERS ATTACK ME,
WITHOUT ATTACKS ME, -- WHEN
DONALD ATTACKS ME, I DON'T
RESPOND IN KIND.
VOTERS ARE INTERESTED IN
SUBSTANCE, WHO IS PAIRED TO
FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS, BRING BACK
JOBS AND WHO IS BEST PREPARED TO
BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF?
JOSH: I WILL GET TO THAT.
YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE
ABILITY TO BRING IN THE
CONSERVATIVE VOTE.
REAGAN DEMOCRATS, MAINSTREAM
REPUBLICANS.
YOU HAVE A FRONT-RUNNER, DONALD
TRUMP.
THIS IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
ANYTIME SOMEONE GETS IN HIS WAY
OR DISAGREES WITH HIM, THERE IS
NO TIP OF THE CAP, ALL OF A
SUDDEN THAT PERSON OR
ORGANIZATION IS A COMPLETE JOKE.
DO YOU THINK DONALD TRUMP HAS
THE ABILITY TO BRING PEOPLE
TOGETHER?
SEN. CRUZ: I THINK VOTERS ARE
GOING TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION.
THE REASON WE SEEING UNITY
BEHIND OUR CAMPAIGN WILL PEOPLE
ARE STUDYING THE RECORDS OF THE
CANDIDATES AND DISTINCTION
BETWEEN WHAT I CALL CAMPAIGN
CONSERVATIVES WHO TALK A GOOD
GAME BUT HAVE NOT WALKED THE
WALK AND A CONSISTENT
CONSERVATIVE.
IT IS EASY TO TALK ABOUT HOW YOU
ARE POSED -- OPPOSED TO
OBAMACARE.
IN 2013 WHEN MILLIONS OF
AMERICANS ROSE UP AGAINST
OBAMACARE, WHERE WERE YOU?
I WAS PROUD TO LEAD THE FIGHT.
THE OTHER MEN AND WOMEN ON THE
DEBATE STAGE WERE NOWHERE TO BE
FOUND.
WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA, CHUCK
SCHUMER AND HARRY REID AND THE
ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS IN
WASHINGTON'S POST AND AMNESTY
PLAN, MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ROSE
AGAINST IT AND I WAS PROUD TO
LEAD THE OPPOSITION AND STAND
WITH JEFF SESSIONS AND STEVE
KING.
YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER
CANDIDATES, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SUDDENLY ARE
TALKING ABOUT ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION.
TRUMP TALKS ABOUT THIS A LOT.
IN 2013 WHEN THE GANG OF 8
AMNESTY BILL AND BARACK OBAMA
WAS INCHES FROM GETTING THAT
PAST, WHERE WERE THE OTHER
CANDIDATES?
WHEN THE FIGHT WAS BEING FOUGHT,
THERE WERE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
ALMOST LIKE THEY WERE IN WITNESS
PROTECTION.
THE REASON VOTERS ARE COALESCING
BEHIND OUR CAMPAIGN, WHEN HARRY
REID AND CHUCK SCHUMER CAME
AFTER THE SECOND A MOMENT RIGHT
TO BEAR ARMS, AMERICANS STOOD UP
TO DEFEND OUR SECOND AMENDMENT
AND I LED THE FIGHT.
THE OTHER CANDIDATES WERE
NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
THAT IS WHY CONSERVATIVES ARE
UNITING BEHIND OUR CAMPAIGN.
TALK IS CHEAP.
BUT IF YOU WALK THE WALK, DO YOU
HAVE A PROVEN RECORD, YOU SAY
YOU'RE GOING TO STAND UP TO
WASHINGTON.
WHEN HAVE YOU EVER STOOD UP TO
WASHINGTON?
JOSH: LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE
QUESTIONS.
YOU ARE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AT A
SECOND AMENDMENT RALLY.
THIS IS AN ISSUE BROUGHT UP A
LOT IN THIS RACE.
WHETHER IT IS EXPANDING
BACKGROUND CHECKS, GUN SHOW
LOOPHOLES, MORE INVESTMENT INTO
MENTAL HEALTH, WHERE DO YOU
THINK IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE
MADE WHEN IT COMES TO GUN
VIOLENCE?
SEN. CRUZ: IT IS SIMPLE AND YOU
START WITH FIRST BEEN SUPPOSED
THE FIRST -- FIRST PRINCIPLES.
THE FIRST PRINTABLE I START WITH
IS THE CONSTITUTION I HAVE BEEN
SPENDING MY LIFE FIGHTING FOR.
I DO NOT VIEW THE
CONSTITUTION THE WAY OBAMA AND
CLINTON VIEW IT, AND UNNECESSARY
INCONVENIENCE.
I VIEW IT AS THE DOCUMENT THAT
FORMED THIS COUNTRY AND OUR RULE
OF LAW.
WHAT BARACK OBAMA AND THE
LIBERALS DO WRONG IS THEY DO NOT
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN GOOD GUYS
AND BAD GUYS.
WHEN WE SAY A HORRIFIC SHOOTING
LIKE THE SANDY HOOK SHOOTING, I
AM THE FATHER OF TWO LITTLE
GIRLS.
AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE THE
DAD OF YOUNG CHILDREN IF YOU SEE
SOMEONE MURDERING KIDS --
JOSH: IT IS AWFUL.
SEN. CRUZ: IT IS HORRIFYING.
PRESIDENT OBAMA AN OPPORTUNITY
TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
IF HE FOCUSED ON GOING AFTER
CRIMINALS, REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS COULD HAVE COME
TOGETHER.
MY VIEW, VIOLENT CRIMINALS, WE
SHOULD COME DOWN ON THEM LIKE A
TON OF BRICKS BUT PROTECT THE
RIGHTS OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS.
LIKEWISE TERRORISM.
IN THE AFTERMATH OF PARIS AND
SAN BERNARDINO ATTACKS,
PRESIDENT OBAMA DOES AND ASHLEY
TELEVISED ADDRESS AND REFUSES TO
SAY THE WORDS RADICAL ISLAMIC
TERRORISM.
IT IS LIKE THE DEMOCRATS ARE
OSTRICHES WITH THEIR HEADS IN
THE SAND.
HE SUGGESTS TAKING A LIVE THE
RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS OF
MILLIONS OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS
.
DO NOT STOP BAD GUYS BY TAKING
AWAY OUR GUNS, YOU STOP BAD GUYS
BY USING OUR GUNS.
WE NEED A COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF
FOCUSED ON KILLING JIHADISTS
BEFORE THEY MURDER US, NOT ON
SCAPEGOATING AND VIOLATING THE
RIGHTS OF MILLING'S OF
LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS.
JOSH: LET ME STATE THIS OUT
BEFORE YOU SHUT ME DOWN.
YOU HAVE YOUR DIFFERENCES WITH
PRESIDENT OBAMA.
THERE ARE SOME SIMILARITIES.
BOTH CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERTS,
FIRST-TERM SENATOR'S HAVING
SUCCESS AND MAY BE THE FIRST
PRESIDENT.
THAT WAS A BIG KNOCK ON
PRESIDENT OBAMA THAT HE DID NOT
HAVE EXPERIENCE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF GOVERNORS WITH
EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE.
WHY ARE YOU THE GUY THAT CAN
DELIVER ON THE PROMISE A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE MAKING?
SEN. CRUZ: I'M THE ONLY ONE ON
THE STAGE WITH A PROVEN RECORD
AS A CONSISTENT CONSERVATIVE.
A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE, SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE AND NATIONAL
SECURITY CONSERVATIVE.
WE ARE TIRED OF WINNING
ELECTIONS AND NOTHING CHANGES.
WE'VE GOT MAJORITIES IN THE
HOUSE AND SENATE.
THE HOUSE AND SENATE JUST PASSED
A MASSIVE ON THE FUNDING ALL OF
BARACK OBAMA AND HARRY REID'S
BIG GOVERNMENT AGENDA.
PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE
DIFFERENCE, DO NOT BELIEVE THE
CAMPAIGN PROMISES, EVERYONE
SOUNDS LIKE A CONSERVATIVE FUND
THEY RUN.
THE SCRIPTURE TELLS US, "YOU
SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR
FRUITS."
ONE OF THE REASONS I'M GLAD
DONALD TRUMP IS IN THE RACE, HE
HELPED FRAME THE CENTRAL
QUESTION OF THE RACE, WHO WILL
STAND UP FOR WASHINGTON -- TO
WASHINGTON?
WHO HAS?
WHEN HAVE YOU STOOD UP NOT JUST
TO DEMOCRATS BUT LEADERS IN OUR
OWN PARTY.
I AM THE ONLY ONE, WHETHER ON
OBAMACARE, SECOND AMENDMENT,
STOPPING IN SD OR ATTACKING THE
NATIONAL SECURITY -- STOPPING
AMNESTY OR PROTECTING THE
NATIONAL SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY
WHO HAS STOOD WITH THE WORKING
MEN AND WOMEN, NOT THE ELITES,
NOT WALL STREET AND THE
WASHINGTON LOBBYISTS, BUT THE
WORKING MEN AND WOMEN.
THE BLUE-COLLAR BACKBONE OF THE
COUNTRY TIRED OF BEING SOLD DOWN
THE RIVER BY WASHINGTON.
JOSH: WHAT KIND I DID OCCUR THIS
WEEK IS A PROCEDURAL QUESTION
BUT I WANT TO GET TO IT IN
TEXAS.
THE PARTY CHAIR IN TEXAS OFFERED
A RULES CHANGE, IT WOULD BE
DAMAGING IF NOT DO AWAY WITH THE
NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY.
WE REPORTED YOU ASKED HIM TO
TAKE THAT DOWN.
IS THAT BECAUSE OF A BELIEF THAT
THIS PROCESS IS THE BEST WAY TO
DO THINGS?
SEN. CRUZ: I THINK IT IS
FANTASTIC THAT OUR ELECTION
BEGINS WITH NEW HAMPSHIRE, IOWA,
SOUTH CAROLINA AND NEVADA.
IT IS A WONDERFUL THING.
I'VEMY WIFE AND MY LITTLE GIRLS
ADORE NEW HAMPSHIRE.
THEY LOVE VISITING PEOPLE HERE.
THE GREAT THING ABOUT NEW
HAMPSHIRE BEING FIRST IN THE
NATION IS THAT IT MANDATES A
GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGN.
IF WE STARTED IN A BIG STATE
LIKE NEW YORK OR CALIFORNIA, IT
WOULD BE ALL HOLLYWOOD TV ADS,
ALL FAKE.
HERE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE YOU CANNOT
WIN UNLESS YOU STAND IN A
DUNKIN' DONUTS OR VFW HALL OR
LIVING ROOM AND YOU LOOK PEOPLE
IN THE EYES AND THEY HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DETERMINE ARE YOU
TELLING THE TRUTH?
THAT IS FANTASTIC.
WHEN I HEARD THE PARTY CHAIRMAN
HAD PUT IN A MOTION TO TAKE AWAY
NEW HAMPSHIRE'S FIRST IN THE
NATION STATUS, I ASKED HIM TO
PULL IT DOWN.
HE PULLED IT DOWN.
I THINK IT IS CRITICAL THAT NEW
HAMPSHIRE STAY FIRST IN THE
NATION SO WE CAN VET THE
CANDIDATES, NOT TV ADS BUT MEN
AND WOMEN HOLDING CANDIDATES
ACCOUNTABLE.
JOSH: YOU ARE DOING WELL IN
IOWA.
WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN NEW
HAMPSHIRE.
YOU HAVE A CAMPAIGN TRENDING IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
BEST OF LUCK.
SEN. CRUZ: JOSH: THANK YOU, GOD
BLESS.
JOSH: WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH
CHRIS CHRISTIE.
STAY WITH US.