today's video reminds us that you can be
in the right and yet the process is the
punishment
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just another evening at this Pharmacy
here you see the guy in Black who is
just kind of wandering around he's
waiting in line here too you see the
pharmacist dealing with the other person
now what you're going to see happen here
is another guy is going to come and kind
of get into line which our guy who was
kind of pacing around didn't really
think about being in line so much
instead he's going to recognize oh man
you know I've been waiting in line now
this guy's kind of cut in front of me so
he's going to kind of tap him on the
shoulder and be like hey sir you know I
was in line there first well what he
doesn't know is that guy has a real
history of anger problems literally he's
been kicked out of multiple places
banned from places and he's going to
start jawing at him and and being kind
of a jerk well guess what he has a
history of being a jerk our guy in all
black is is like hey you know come on
man I I was in this line first whatever
and the guy's like hey screw you the
line is here you weren't in the line you
were wandering around I'm going to take
my part so finally this guy's like man
whatever piss off and then he's going to
kind of give him the go around now Watch
What Happens here the guy in in the the
shorts is John Adam kind of you know
yipping and all that stuff so when he
walks by Watch What Happens now is our
dude in the shorts gets out an OC spray
guy's not even paying any attention to
him and he just OC sprays him in the
face now that's gonna freak out our man
who's been wandering around in Black so
he's going to wander off and be like yo
and the guy keeps yelling at him so what
does he do he actually draws his firearm
here and tries to stay away from the guy
well when he draws his firearm and
starts backing off that makes the guy
with the OC spray draw his firearm and
now a gun fight starts well the dude in
all black is better with his firearm
than the dude in the shorts and so the
dude in the shorts takes the pharmacy
temperature challenge right here and our
OC sprayed victim in this particular
case uh he stayed there until the police
arrived and if you go read the news
stories it took years that this man was
ending up charged with murder for the
death of the man who OC sprayed him and
then he went to trial twice both of
those trials ended in a mistrial each
time more of the jury voted to convict
than voted to acquit but both times they
ended up deadlocked there and mistrial
then after the second mistrial the
prosecutor said he was not going to try
it a third time because he felt like he
would get the same verdict some very
interesting Parts on this one hey this
is just an invitation from me to you if
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you from being prosecuted like this guy
so first and foremost here yes
absolutely carry your firearm with you
everywhere you go you know both these
guys has second amendment rights but
remember you carry firearm you carry the
means of deadly force on your person at
all times that means you are morally
illegally responsible to be a good sane
sober moral prudent person who who
really de-escalates conflict that did
not happen in this case now is it okay
for the guy in Black to come up and go
hey man I'm sorry I was leaning there I
just kind of wandered off whatever would
that be acceptable yeah it is and it's
on the dude in the white shorts to not
be a total jerk right and and but listen
on both of their parts there's no way to
just have this kind of argument and be a
jerk to somebody this is not what a good
Saint sober moral prudent person does
and so listen just solve conflicts be
kind oh man my bad I'm sorry you know
come on in whatever and on the other
guy's case all right man listen oh I'm
sorry I was in there and he blows up all
right dude whatever I'm sorry have a
nice night have a fine day and instead
he kind of blows him off you see him
kind of want wand his arm off like that
and he's like I'll piss on you whatever
well listen that is an invitation to an
ego battle that is an ego challenge now
we're not just talking about lines and
social norms now we're talking about I
disdain you and when you do that to
somebody who has anger problems like
this guy clearly has anger problems
you're gonna incite wrath and and when
you do that you don't know how far that
guy is willing to go now I'm gonna
obviously say here I love OC spray and I
love carrying an OC spray I think it is
an incredibly effective tool and I
recommend it for every self-defender but
never as an offensive tool everyone
because this guy should know better than
this crap right this is never the way
that we do things and when he pulls this
pepper spray out the guy's not facing
him he's not talking to him none of that
stuff and OCA spraying him in the face
is assault this is assault even in some
states it's a special category of
assault they'd call that assault with a
chemical weapon or something like that
now that said it is the use of ordinary
force that is force very unlikely to
cause death or great bodily harm
I know of exactly one case that I am
aware of where OC spray resulted in the
death of somebody and so it is very
exceedingly rare that OC spray is lethal
it is almost it is universally seen as
an ordinary force not lethal Force so
our dude gets OC sprayed and he is the
victim of assault hey get off your phone
call 9-1-1 get the cops there get this
guy arrested for assault instead what he
does here is he decides to draw his
firearm and you can see him there he's
got his gun in his hand now I get that
he's scared in this particular case I
get that he is saying oh no what am I
going to do but I'm going to tell you
this right here is an escalation of the
conflict and I see so many people that
go well somebody else he sprays me and
I'm gonna feel like this is gonna be
deadly force so I'm going to draw a gun
and shoot him that's what got him tried
ladies and gentlemen because what
happened here is the the prosecutor for
sure and the majority of the the jurors
in both trials said hey him drawing his
firearm escalated the conflict so he the
other guy escalated it from verb to
physical that was a crime but then our
our Defender here or victim here of the
OC spring then escalated the conflict
from physical to deadly by drawing and
displaying a firearm in a manner that
would put the other person to think that
they were at risk of death or great
bodily harm now I get it that listen
this other guy and again I think he's a
total jerk and I think that that he
escalated the conflict to begin with as
well
but you know and you might say well they
ended up you know in a mistrial so he
wasn't convicted of a crime so what he
does was okay except for the hundreds of
thousands of dollars the months and
months and years of sleepless nights
they're losing his job the spending many
nights in jail I've got an interview
that I've Linked In the description with
him from jail and and having to deal
with that and so this is why I say as
your friend who tries to help you with
self-defense somebody else sprays you I
would not draw a pistol drawing a pistol
here escalated the conflict got him in a
shooting and then ended up getting him
tried twice which has cost him again and
again and again far better if you can
run off and run hard we you know get
some tricks and understand how you can
fight through the pain of OC spray to
continue to be able to see to run out of
there to call the cops rather than
escalate the conflict more fully
now okay we're just going to say in that
moment he decides defensively and he
backs away to draw a firearm because he
feels like this guy's assaulted me once
now I'm diminished and I feel like if he
assaults me again I'm going to end up in
the hospital okay I'm gonna make that
argument if I'm his attorney as well and
I do think that his eventual mistrial
came because he didn't just draw his gun
and shoot the guy he tried to get away
from him and stay away from him and I
think that was good decision making here
and so I think his attorney has a good
argument to make here that he drew his
firearm defensively worried about a
secondary assault and that he tried to
get away I think that was those were
both good decisions and those are what
ended up getting him not convicted of
murder in this particular case so so
listen get away from every conflict you
can now if you end up there then this
guy who has already assaulted him with
those sea spray and then shows him a
pistol now it's time for a gunfight I
have no problems with him moving in at
this point in order to get into that
place and he finishes the gunfight and
and remember
gunfight's not really about who's right
it's about who's left at the end of the
day and our our Defender here the guy
who was initially assaulted I think that
that his conduct at the end of things I
can't say Beyond a reasonable doubt that
it was not justified and so I'm going to
say I agree with the defense here that
he should not have been convicted of
this and that that I side with him but I
understand as well why a prosecutor
might choose to charge him I understand
the arguments that he's going to make
and I don't want to put you in that kind
of situation I'm grateful that our
Defender here had firearm skills of
course you want to drop that that phone
that's in your hand and use both hands
on the gun if you possibly can that's a
technique thing uh but but again the
bigger lessons here are about being a
good sane sober moral prudent person
about doing the things that don't get
you prosecuted to begin with that lead
the prosecutor to know that you were a
good person that was defending
themselves rather than an aggressor who
escalated the conflict I do also like
here okay he kicks the gun away from the
guy the guy's not a threat anymore and
so our Defender stays on scene there's
not a threat anymore and so he stays
nearby now if you know he's completely
unconscious okay fine I might leave his
presence because you don't know if he's
going to come back and kind of reanimate
you don't know what other weapons he's
got on him and you do know though that
he is highly aggressive so I might
vacate that immediate area but stay in
the area for responding officers there
are tough lessons here for us as
self-defenders but this is kind of the
poster case of why I say OC spray is
considered ordinary Force so if you
escalate it man it could cost you an
awful lot in the end though I would say
this guy was justified in his conduct he
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