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>>> WIKILEAKS, I LOVE WIKILEAKS. Ask your doctor about ELIQUIS.
>>> WIKILEAKS, I LOVE WIKILEAKS. THIS WIKILEAKS STUFF IS
UNBELIEVABLE.
UNBELIEVABLE. IT TELLS YOU THE INNER HEART.
IT’S BEEN AMAZING WHAT’S COMING
OUT ON WIKILEAKS.
>> THEN CANDIDATE DONALD TRUMP
LOVED THAT WIKILEAKS ARB AS HE
CALLED IT RELEASED E-MAILS
STOLEN BI
STOLEN BI STOLEN BY RUSSIAN.
STEVE BANNON WAS WORKING FOR HIM
AS HIS CAMPAIGN CHIEF EXECUTIVE,
AND ROGER STONE WAS TRUMP’S
INFORMAL ADVISOR.
INFORMAL ADVISOR. TODAY STEVE BANNON TESTIFIED
UNDER OATH THAT DONALD TRUMP’S
2016 CAMPAIGN CONSIDERED TRUMP’S
LONG TIME CONFIDANT ROGER STONE
AS THE, QUOTE, ACCESS POINT, END
QUOTE, TO WIKILEAKS.
BANNON DELIVERED THAT EXPLOSIVE
TESTIMONY IN THE ONGOING TRIAL
OF ROGER STONE ON CHARGES THAT
STONE LIED TO CONGRESS WHILE IT
WAS INVESTIGATING RUSSIA’S
ATTACK ON OUR ELECTION.
BANNON TOLD THE JURY, QUOTE THE
CAMPAIGN HAD NO OFFICIAL ACCESS
TO WIKILEAKS OR TO JULIAN
ASSANGE.
ASSANGE. BUT ROGER WOULD BE CONSIDERED IF
WE NEEDED AN ACCESS POINT
BECAUSE HE HAD IMPLIED OR TOLD
ME HE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH
WIKILEAKS AND JULIAN ASSANGE.
IT WAS SOMETHING I THINK HE
WOULD FREQUENTLY MENTION OR TALK
ABOUT.
ABOUT. THAT GOES TO ONE OF THE MOST
CRUCIAL UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
ABOUT THEN CANDIDATE DONALD
TRUMP.
TRUMP. DID HE RELY ON ROGER STONE, HIS
LONGEST SERVING ADVISOR, TO GET
DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON?
JOINING US NOW MOTHER JONES
REPORTER JOHN FREEDMAN WHO WAS
INSIDE THE COURTHOUSE TODAY AND
BACK WITH US NATASHA BERTRAM.
A QUOTE FROM YOUR OWN REPORTING
HERE, YOU WROTE AN ARTICLE IN
WHICH YOU SAY TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN
APPARENTLY THOUGHT IT WAS
COLLUDING WITH WIKILEAKS.
STEVE BANNON SAYS TRUMP TEAM SAW
ROGER STONE AS ACCESS POINT TO
ASSANGE.
ASSANGE. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN APPARENTLY
THOUGHT IT WAS COLLUDING WITH
WIKILEAKS.
WIKILEAKS. IN BANNON’S CROSS-EXAMINATION
TODAY STONE’S DEFENSE ATTORNEY
ASKED HIM, YOU AND THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN DIDN’T VIEW STONE AS
THE ACCESS POINT TO WIKILEAKS?
AND BANNON SAYS, I THINK WE DID,
YES.
YES. THAT’S REMARKABLE.
THAT’S REMARKABLE. >> YEAH, THAT’S PRETTY STRIKING.
AND, YOU KNOW, BANNON DIDN’T
ONLY SAY THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
WAS RECEIVING WHAT IT THOUGHT
WAS INSIDE INFORMATION ON
WIKILEAKS FROM ROGER STONE.
HE ALSO SUGGESTED THAT THEY
BELIEVED THAT STONE WAS SORT OF
ORCHESTRATING THE RELEASE OF
THIS STOLEN DEMOCRATIC E-MAILS.
BANNON SAID THAT WHEN WIKILEAKS
RELEASED THE E-MAILS FROM THE
CLINTON CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN JOHN
PODESTA ON OCTOBER 7th,2016, HE
SAID HE HEARD THAT STONE HAD
BEEN INVOLVED IN MAKING THAT
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. AND THEN BANNON’S ASSISTANT ON
THE SAME DAY SENT STONE AN
E-MAIL THAT SAID WELL-DONE, JUST
TWO WORDS.
TWO WORDS. SO THEY KIND OF THOUGHT THAT
STONE WAS ACTUALLY HELPING THEM
AFFECTIVELY WHICH IS QUITE
STRIKING.
STRIKING. >> WHAT’S THE IMPLICATION OF
THAT?
THAT? WHAT’S THE IMPLICATION OF THEM
THINKING THEY WERE WORKING
THROUGH STONE WITH WIKILEAKS AND
OSTENSIBLY WITH THE RUSSIANS WHO
HAD DONE THE HACKING THAT
WIKILEAKS -- THE INFORMATION
THAT WIKILEAKS HAD?
WHAT’S THE IMPLICATION OF THAT
ON THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT THERE
WAS SOME KIND OF COORDINATION
BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND
THE RUSSIANS OR THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN AND JULIAN ASSANGE?
>> WELL, THE IMPLICATION I THINK
WOULD BE THAT THEY TRIED TO
CHEAT, RIGHT?
CHEAT, RIGHT? ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS
AFTER THE "ACCESS HOLLYWOOD"
TAPE DROPPED ABOUT 20 MINUTES
LATER WIKILEAKS STARTED
RELEASING THE E-MAILS FROM JOHN
PODESTA’S INBOX AND THE BIGGEST
QUESTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN DID
SOMEONE COORDINATE THAT?
DID SOMEONE ON THE CAMPAIGN OR
CLOSE TO THE CAMPAIGN COORDINATE
THAT WITH WIKILEAKS?
AND I THINK IT WAS TOUCHED UPON
A BIT THAT BANNON DID TESTIFY TO
THE FACT THEY BELIEVED ROGER
STONE HAD THIS POWER AND ACCESS.
AND HE ALSO SAID THAT HE REALLY
FELT LIKE THAT THE MOMENT WHEN
THEY NEEDED WIKILEAKS THE MOST
AND WHEN THEY FELT LIKE THEY
NEEDED MORE E-MAILS TO COME OUT
THAT WERE DAMAGING TO THE
DEMOCRATS AND TO HILLARY
CLINTON, THEY FELT LIKE THEY
COULD RELY ON STONE AS THAT
ACCESS POINT.
ACCESS POINT. SO I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY RAISES
A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS
WHETHER THEY WERE WAITING FOR A
PIVOTAL MOMENT IN THE CAMPAIGN
WHEN TRUMP WAS LITERALLY AT HIS
LOWEST POINT.
LOWEST POINT. REPUBLICANS AND ALLIES LEFT AND
RIGHT AFTER THE "ACCESS
HOLLYWOOD" TAPE CAME OUT, WHEN
THEY ACTUALLY WENT TO STONE AND
SAID, HEY, PLEASE HELP US OUT
AND DO THIS BECAUSE THE TIMING
OF THAT RELEASE AFTER THE
"ACCESS HOLLYWOOD" TAPE WAS
EXTREMELY TO PUT IT
COINCIDENTAL.
COINCIDENTAL. >> WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT
TRIAL WE’RE ESTABLISHING WHETHER
SOMEONE COORDINATED THAT.
OBSERVERS OF THIS CONCURRENTLY
WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING OR IN
HINDSIGHT CAN CONCLUDE IT WAS
EITHER COINCIDENTAL OR LUCKY OR
ORGANIZED.
ORGANIZED. AND YET PEOPLE WHO KNOW STONE
SAY THE GUY IS A BIG TALKER.
HE WANTED EVERYONE TO THINK HE
WAS BUT THE EVIDENCE ISN’T CLEAR
HE WAS.
HE WAS. >> THEY HAVE NOT PRESENTED
EVIDENCE THEY DEFINITELY
COORDINATED RELEASE OF THE
E-MAILS, BUT THERE’S A LOT OF
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS
CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT HE
WAS INVOLVED BOTH ON THE
WIKILEAKS AND AT LEAST THROUGH
JEROME CORSI THE RIGHT WING
CONSPIRACY THEORIST AND ON THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN END, HE TALKED
DIRECTLY TO THEN CANDIDATE TRUMP
ON JUNE 14th, 2016.
THAT’S THE DAY THE DNC ANNOUNCED
THEY’D BEEN HACK BY THE
RUSSIANS, STONE TALKED TO TRUMP
THAT DAY.
THAT DAY. AND THEN ON JULY 31st STONE ALSO
TALKED TO TRUMP.
AND JUST AN HOUR LATER STONE
DIRECTED CORSI TO GO TO LONDON
AND SEE WHAT HE COULD FIND OUT
FROM ASSANGE ABOUT THE E-MAILS.
SO THAT’S A PRETTY STRONG
CIRCUMSTANCE SUBSTANTIAL
CIRCUMSTANCE SUBSTANTIAL SUGGESTION THAT THE PRESIDENT
WAS PERHAPS PUTTING STONE UP TO
THIS EFFORT TO FIND OUT WHAT
WIKILEAKS -- WHAT KIND OF
E-MAILS WIKILEAKS HAD AND WHEN
THEY WERE GOING TO RELEASE HIM.
>> NATASHA, I DON’T KNOW IF YOU
HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW WHAT
BANNON WAS DOING INSIDE THE
COURT AND OUTSIDE.
IN BOTH CASES HE WAS GOING OUT
OF HIS WAY TO INDICATE HE WAS
NOT PARTICIPATING IN THIS
PROCEEDING WILLINGLY.
PROCEEDING WILLINGLY. HE WOULD NOT HAVE SHOWN UP OR
SPOKEN TO A GRAND JURY WITH
SUBPOENA.
SUBPOENA. HE SEEMED TO BE SENDING SOME
SORT OF MESSAGE HE DOESN’T WANT
TO BE HERE, HE WOULDN’T BE DOING
THIS WILLINGLY?
THIS WILLINGLY? >> YEAH, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH
THE PEOPLE HE’S TRYING TO APPEAL
TO NOW.
TO NOW. IT’S BELIED BY THE FACT HE
COOPERATED WILLINGLY WITH
MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION AND
COOPERATED IN VOLUNTARY
INTERVIEWS WITH PROSECUTORS
BEFORE THIS TRIAL EVEN BEGAN.
SO I THINK THERE’S A LOT OF
EVIDENCE HERE THAT, YOU KNOW,
STEVE BANNON IS PUTTING ON A
SHOW ABOUT NOT WANTING TO BE
THROWING ROGER STONE UNDER THE
BUS HERE, AND HE’S BEING FORCED
ESSENTIALLY TO TESTIFY IN THIS
TRIAL.
TRIAL. BUT THE FACTS DON’T SUPPORT
THAT.
THAT. AND ONE OTHER THING THAT YOU
KNOW OBVIOUSLY WASN’T MENTIONED
TODAY DURING THE HEARING WAS THE
E-MAIL RELEASED IN A COURT CASE
LAST WEEK AS PART OF THE CASE
AGAINST THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT,
RELEASING MATERIALS FROM THE
MUELLER INVESTIGATION -- AN
E-MAIL IN WHICH STEVE BANNON
WROTE TO JARED KUSHNER AND SAID
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT’S
NOT PERCEIVED THAT WE HAVE BEEN
GETTING HELP FROM RUSSIA AND
WIKILEAKS.
WIKILEAKS. AND IN THAT SENSE WE NEED TO
KIND OF DISTANCE OURSELVES FROM,
YOU KNOW, THE FIRED CAMPAIGN
CHAIRMAN PAUL MANAFORT, WHO AT
THAT TIME WAS STILL ADVISING THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN WELL INTO THE
NOVEMBER 2016.
NOVEMBER 2016. CLEARLY THERE WAS AN AWARENESS
ON STEVE BANNON’S PART AT LEAST
THE PERCEPTION THAT THE RUSSIANS
WHO HAD HACKED THE DNC, HAD
HACKED JOHN PODESTA’S E-MAIL BOX
AND THACAMPAIGN WAS NOW
BENEFITTING FROM THOSE RELEASES.