>>> I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE
PICTURES FROM BUCHA AND JUST
OUTSIDE OF KYIV.
BODIES LEFT IN STREETS AS
RUSSIAN TROOPS WITH DRAW.
THERE IS NOTHING LESS HAPPENING
THAN MAJOR WAR CRIMES.
RESPONSIBLE NATIONS HAVE TO COME
TOGETHER TO HOLD THESE
PERPETRATORS ACCOUNTABLE AND TO
TOGETHER WITH OUR ALLIES AND OUR
PARTNERS, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP
RAISING THE ECONOMIC COST AND
RATCHET UP THE PAIN FOR PUTIN
AND FURTHER INCREASE RUSSIA'S
ECONOMIC ISOLATION.
>> PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN ON THE
HORRIFYING SCENES OUT OF BUCHA
NEAR UKRAINE'S CAPITAL OF KYIV
IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE CONVINCING
AND MOUNTING EVIDENCE OF RUSSIAN
WAR CRIMES AND HEINOUS
ATROCITIES.
IT IS PART AS THE WHITE HOUSE
REASONING FOR A BRAND NEW ROUND
OF SANCTIONS BLOCKING TWO LARGE
BANKS FROM THE U.S. FINANCIAL
SYSTEM, PROHIBITING AMERICANS
FROM MAKING ANY NEW INVESTMENTS
IN RUSSIA AND CUTTING OFF THE
ALLIES FROM THE U.S. BANKS
INCLUDING TWO HIS ADULL
DAUGHTERS, KREMLIN OFFICIALS AND
THEIR FAMILIES.
NBC NEWS HAS NEW REPORTING ABOUT
HOW THE U.S. IS USING
INTELLIGENCE AS A WEAPON.
EVEN WHEN THAT INTELLIGENCE
ISN'T ROCK SOLID.
SO ON THAT REPORTING, QUOTE, THE
IDEA IS TO PREEMPT AND DISRUPT
THE CREM CONTINUE THAT KTICES
AND COMPLICATE ITS MILITARY
CAMPAIGN AND ACCORDING TO A
WESTERN GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL,
UNDERMINE MOSCOW'S PROPAGANDA
AND PREVENT RUSSIA FROM DEFINING
HOW THE WAR IS PERCEIVED IN THE
WORLD.
JOINING
JOINING US NOW, COURTNEY KUBE A
JOHN BRENNAN, A MSNBC SENIOR
NATIONAL SECURITY AND
INTELLIGENCE ANALYST.
DIRECTOR BRENNAN, I WAN TO START
WITH YOU.
PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY IN A SPEECH
FOR THE AGES DESCRIBES WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN HIS COUNTRY AS A
GENOCIDE.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THESE
SANCTIONS AND WHAT DO YOU MAKE
AS TO WHETHER OR NOT VLADIMIR
PUTIN IS FEELING ANY PAIN AT ALL
OR SIMPLY RALLYING HIS NATION TO
HIS VERSION OF EVENTS?
>> WELL, CLEARLY AN EVIL LEADER
LIKE VLADIMIR PUTIN PRODUCED
EVIL FOLLOWERS AND THAT IS WHAT
WE'RE SEEING PLAY OUT IN THE BATTLEFIELDS OF UKRAINE.
BATTLEFIELDS OF UKRAINE.
THESE HORRIFIC KILLING OF
CIVILIANS AND THEY ARE TRYING TO
MAKE IT AS PAINFUL AS POSSIBLE
FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN TO CONTINUE
THIS AWFUL WAR AND THEY'RE
HOPING THERE IS A CUMULATIVE
IMPACT HERE.
IN TERMS OF THE COST THAT THE
RUSSIAN MILITARY HAS INCURRED ON
THE BATTLEFIELDS BUT ALSO THE
FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC AND OTHER
PRESSURES.
AND SO WHAT I THINK THE BOOIGSID
ADMINISTRATION IS DOING AND WHAT
BIDEN SAID TODAY, IS HE'S TRYING
TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY POSSIBLE
OPPORTUNITY FOR RUSSIA TO USE
ITS SOVEREIGN WEALTH IS GOING TO
BE CUT OFF.
NOW OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO HAVE
THE COOPERATION OF COUNTRIES
AROUND THE WORLD.
BUT I DO THINK WE'RE GOING TO
SEE MORE AND MORE OF THIS
INTERNATIONAL PRESSURE LED BY
THE UNITED STATES AS A RESULT OF
THESE HORRIFIC KILLINGS AND MASS
MURDER THAT IS TAKING PLACE IN
UKRAINE.
>> DIRECTOR BRENNAN, WE SAW
THESE PICTURES OVER THE WEEKEND
BECAUSE OF SOMETHING COURTNEY
HAS BEEN REPORTING ON AND THAT
IS THE REPOSITIONING OF RUSSIAN
FORCES.
THEY HAD OCCUPIED BUCHA AND THEY
PULLED AWAY FROM KYIV TO MOVE
AND SORT OF HARDEN THEIR
OFFENSIVE IN THE EASTERN PART OF
THE COUNTRY.
BUT THE VIEW FROM UKRAINE IS
THAT ALL ACROSS THEIR COUNTRY
THERE ARE MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY
BUCHAS.
WHAT IN YOUR DECADES OF
EXPERIENCE AND INTELLIGENCE DO
YOU ASSESS THIS HAPPENING RIGHT
NOW TO CIVILIANS INSIDE OF
UKRAINE AT THE HANDS OF WHAT
TONY BLINKEN CLEARLY BELIEVE
IT'S A TOP DOWN STRATEGY BY THE
RUSSIAN MILITARY.
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN
ARE THE RUSSIAN ATTACKS AGAINST
THE POPULATION CENTERS AS A WAY
TO INTIM DATE THE UKRAINIAN
POPULATION INTO SUBMISSION.
BUT ALSO WHAT I THINK WE'RE
SEEING NOW IS RETURN FORCES ARE
WITHDRAWING FROM SOME OF THE
CITIES ARE REVENGE ATTACKS.
THESE PURELY SADISTIC ATTACKS
PEOPLE BOUND AND GAGGED AND SHOT
AND BECAUSE AGAIN I THINK THIS
BATTLE FROOELD HAS PRODUCED
THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE REALLY
EVIL INCARNATE IS ALL I COULD
SAY ON THAT.
BUT THIS REPOSITIONING OF THE
RUSSIAN FORCES, I THINK THIS IS
JUST RUSSIA TRYING TO REGROUP SO
THAT IT CAN CONSOLIDATE ITS
POSITIONS AND CONTINUE TO
PROSECUTE THIS WAR IN EASTERN
PART OF UKRAINE, SOUTHERN PART
OF UKRAINE AS WELL.
SO I THINK AS THE RUSSIAN TROOPS
PULL OUT AND WE'RE SEEING MORE
OF THE DEVASTATION, I THINK
UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE GOING TO