>>> WE’RE BACK HERE IN THE BRONX, NEW YORK TALKING ABOUT
THE GREEN NEW DEAL AND THE GREEN
NEW DEAL IDEA IS OBVIOUSLY A
REFERENCE TO THE NEW DEAL, WHICH
WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST
MOBILIZATIONS THAT HAPPENED IN
AMERICAN HISTORY AND IT’S EASY
TO LOSE SIZE OF THE SCOPE OF THE
THING.
THING. AGRICULTURE, THE WORK WITHES
PROGRESS ADMINISTRATION DOING
EVERYTHING FROM TAKING SLAVE
NARRATIVES TO DYNAMITING TUNNELS
TO PUT IN ROADS.
IT WAS A KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE
RESHAPING OF AMERICAN ECONOMY
AND SOCIETY.
AND SOCIETY. JOIN AND TALK ABOUT HOW THE
METAPHOR WORKESS AND THE URGENCY
OF THE CRISIS.
RACHEL CLETIS.
RACHEL CLETIS. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME,
CHRIS.
CHRIS. >> AND DRUMMOND, IT’S KIND OF A
THINK TANK THAT HAS BEEN -- IT’S
THE BIRTH PLACE OF THE GREEN NEW
DEAL IN MANY RESPECTS.
YOU’VE BEEN WORKING ON CLIMATE
POLICY FOR A WHILE.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE
DEPRESSION A CRISIS THAT’S AT
THE DOOR, PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY
EATING DIRT IN OKLAHOMA.
PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO DEATH IN
THE STREETS OF AMERICA.
THAT’S NOT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. BUT WHY SHOULD PEOPLE THINK THAT
THE SCALE IS THE SAME CRISIS
WISE?
WISE? >> THE REALITY IS OUR HUMAN
CAUSED EMISSIONS, THE
HEAT-TRAPPING EMISSIONS DUE TO
HUMAN ACTIVITIES LIKE CUTTING
DOWN FORESTS HAVE ALREADY LED TO
A TEMPERATURE INCREASE OF ABOUT
A DEGREE CELSIUS, THAT’S NEARLY
TWO DEGREES FAHRENHEIT AND WE’RE
ALREADY SEEING THE IMPACTS IN
MORE EXTREME WEATHER EVEBTS.
THE IMPACTS ARE HERE AND NOW AND
THE KIND OF TEMPERATURE INCREASE
WE’VE SEEN, I SEE A LOT OF YOUNG
PEOPLE IN THE ODD YNSZ.
MOST KIDS GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL
HAVE NOT SEEN A YEAR WITHOUT A
RECORD BREAKING TEMPERATURE.
WE’VE HAD 18 OF THE 19 HOTTEST
YEARS SINCE 2001.
THIS IS THE FUTURE TO WHICH OUR
YOUNG PEOPLE ARE GROWING UP.
>> AND THIS IS HERE.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT’S
COMING.
COMING. ON THE EVENTS OFF SEPTEMBER
11th, 2001, THOUSANDS OF
AMERICANS DIED IN THE LARGEST
TERRORIST ATTACK ON U.S. SOIL
AND OUR NATIONAL RESPONSE,
WHETHER WE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT,
WAS TO GO TO WAR IN ONE, THEN
EVENTUALLY TWO COUNTRIES.
3,000 AMERICANS DIED IN PUERTO
RICO IN THE AFTERMATH OF
HURRICANE MARIA.
HURRICANE MARIA. WHERE IS OUR RESPONSE?
[ APPLAUSE ]
>> SEE THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS A
RESOLUTION.
RESOLUTION. RESOLUTIONS AREN’T LEGISLATION,
POLICIES.
POLICIES. IT’S A SET OF GOALS.
ONE IS NET ZERO EMISSIONS, GOOD
HIGH-WAGE JOBS, INFRASTRAUKUCTUR
INDUSTRY.
INDUSTRY. WHAT’S THE THEORY OF WHY THEY
HAVE GO TOGETHER?
>> IT’S A MASSIVE INVESTMENT IN
AMERICAN MANUFACTURING TO DEPLOY
ALL THE RESOURCES OF OUR ENTIRE
SOCIETY, NOT JUST OUR MONEY BUT
OUR INGENUITY TO TACKLE THE
CRISIS AND TO DO SO IN A WAY
THAT GROWS OUR ECONOMY AND GIVES
PEOPLE A SHARE OF THAT NEW
WEALTH AND GROWTH.
>> THERE’S THE COMBINATION TACO
BELL/PIZZA HUT SITUATION.
IT’S COOL THEY’RE TOGETHER BUT
DO THEY NEED TO BE TOGETHER?
>> THEY DO AND IT’S NOT LIKE
THAT SITUATION AT ALL.
BECAUSE HERE’S THE DEAL IS THAT
WE COULD SOLVE ALL THE
ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES IN THE
WORLD IF THOSE CLIMATE POLICIES
AND SOLUTIONS ARE DRAFTED ON TO
THE EXISTING FRAMEWORK OF
ECONOMIC INJUSTICE, THEN WE WILL
PERPETUATE OUR SOCIAL PROBLEMS
AND SO EVEN IF YOU DO PASS --
AND THE YELLOW VESTS IN FRANCE
ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON’T ADDRESS
ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL JUSTICE IN
THE SAME SWEEP AS CLIMATE
POLICY.
POLICY. A, IT BECOMES UNSUSTAINABLE.
B, SOCIETY STARTS TO FALL APART,
WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS IN INCOME
INEQUALITY AND C, WE DON’T
ACTUALLY SOLVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL
ISSUE.
ISSUE. [ APPLAUSE ]
>> AND THEY AARERE CONNECTED
BECAUSE OF THE HIGHER
ASTHMA RATES, PARTICULARLY
CHILDREN OF COLOR AND THE TOXENS
IS MUCH HIGHER FOR LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES.
COMMUNITIES. THESE ARE ALL CONNECTED AND WE
CAN SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. >> JUST TO PUSH BACK ON THAT
BECAUSE FOR SO LONG IT’S LIKE
PRICE ON CARBON.
PUT A PRICE ON CARBON.
IT NOW COSTS MORE FOR
ELECTRICITY AND FUEL.
HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO LAST?
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
>> THE FLIP SIDE.
DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE -- WITH
THE URGENCY OF THIS CRISIS WE
GOT TO SOLVE, TO ALSO TACK ON
SAY UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, WHICH
IS A DIFFICULT FIGHT IN AND OF
ITSELF?
ITSELF? DOESN’T THAT MAKE IT HARDER TO
ATTACK THE CRISIS WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT?
ABOUT? >> IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT EASIER
TO ATTACK THE CRISIS.
BECAUSE IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
MAKING INVESTMENTS TO CREATE
MILLIONS OF HIGH PAYING JOBS,
POLICIES LIKE UNIVERSAL HEALTH
CARE, UNIVERSAL FAMILY CARE,
MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO
JOIN IN ON THE MOBILIZATION.
IT’S ABSOLUTE LANECESSARY
BECAUSE IT’S ABOUT RESHAPING THE
ENTIRE ECONOMY.
ENTIRE ECONOMY. A FOSSIL FUEL ECONOMY DESIGNED
TO EXPLOIT AND EXTRACT.
REQUIRES DISPOSABLE PEOPLE AND
PLACES.
PLACES. NO MORE DISPOSABLE PEOPLE, NO
MORE DISPOSABLE PLACES.
[ APPLAUSE ]
>> BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
LISTENING TO THIS, RIGHT, AND
ARE SAYING I FEEL YOU ON THE
CLIMATE, AGREED.
CLIMATE, AGREED. IT’S GETTING HOT.
BUT LIKE THAT SOUNDS LIKE
SOCIALISM.
SOCIALISM. I’M SERIOUS.
I’M SERIOUS. YOU’RE TALKING, OKAY ALL RIGHT.
BUT I’M SAYING NOT EVERYONE
APLAUDS WHEN THEY HEAR THAT.
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT THIS HUGE
MOBILIZATION.
MOBILIZATION. >> HERE’S A COUPLE OF ISSUES
HERE.
HERE. ONE IS IF YOU WANT TO BRING UP
THESE LABELS AND THIS, THAT AND
THE OTHER, THAT’S A WHOLE OTHER
THING.
THING. THE ONE THING WE CAN’T REBUKE
AND CANNOT DENY IS THAT CLIMATE
CHANGE IS A PROBLEM OF MARKET
FAILURE IN OUR ECONOMICS.
AND MOREOVER, MOREOVER, KPAUN --
EXXONMOBIL KNEW THAT CLIMATE
CHANGE WAS REAL AND MAN MADE
STARTING AS FAR BACK AS 1970.
THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES
GOVERNMENT KNEW CLIMATE CHANGE
WAS REAL AND HUMAN CAUSE IN 1989
THE YEAR I WAS BORN.
SO THE INITIAL RESPONSE WAS
THREAT MARKET HANDLE IT.
THEY WILL DO IT.
40 YEARS AND THREE MARKET
SOLUTIONS HAVE NOT CHANGED OUR
POSITION.
POSITION. THIS DOES NOT MEAN -- THIS DOES
NOT MEAN THAT WE CHANGE OUR
ENTIRE STRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT.
BUT WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT WE
NEED TO DO SOMETHING, SOMETHING
AND THAT IS WHAT THIS SOLUTION
IS ABOUT.
IS ABOUT. [ APPLAUSE ]
>> SO MUCH OF THIS CONVERSATION,
SO MUCH OF THIS CONVERSATION IS
POLITICS.
POLITICS. SO I WANT TO PLAY A THOUGHT
EXPERIMENT AND PUT POLITICS
ASIDE AND TALK ABOUT CAN IT BE
DONE?
DONE? I WANT TO THANK DEMAUND AND