WE HAVE FOUND THIS FAR, WHICH WILL BE TRANSMITTED TO THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SOON AFTER
CONGRESS RETURNS FROM THE
THANKSGIVING RECESS.
THANKSGIVING RECESS. THAT’S NEXT WEEK.
MEANWHILE, THE PRESIDENT’S
PERSONAL LAWYER WHO SPEARHEADED
THE AGENDA IN UKRAINE IS
SPEAKING ABOUT ABOUT HIS ROLE IN
THE UNFOLDING SCANDAL.
IN AN INTERVIEW SATURDAY, RUDY
GUILIANI DENIED THE POSSIBILITY
HE WOULD BE MADE THE FALL GUY
FOR THIS PRESIDENT AND IN DOING
SO, HE MADE WHAT APPEARED TO BE
A THREAT.
A THREAT. GUILIANI SAID, HE’S GOT
INSURANCE, THAT’S HIS WORD, THAT
WILL PROTECT HIM IF TRUMP
DECIDES TO THROW HIM UNDER THE
BUS.
BUS. >> HAVE YOU TALKED TO PRESIDENT
TRUMP IN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO?
HAVE YOU MET WITH HIM?
ARE YOU STILL HE IS COUNSEL?
>> I DO NOT DISCUSS MY
CONVERSATIONS WITH MY CLIENT.
YOU CAN ASSUME THAT I TALK TO
HIM EARLY AND OFTEN.
YEAH.
YEAH. AND HAVE A VERY, VERY GOOD
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM AND ALL OF
THESE COMMENTS WHICH ARE TOTALLY
INSULTING.
INSULTING. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> I SEEN THINGS WRITTEN LIKE
HE’S GOING TO THROW ME UNDER THE
BUS.
BUS. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> WHEN THEY SAY THAT, I SAY, HE
ISN’T, BUT I HAVE INSURANCE.
>> BUT I HAVE INSURANCE.
HOURS LATER, HOWEVER, GUILIANI
TRIED TO DENY THE CLEAR
IMPLICATION OF WHAT HE SAID.
IN A TWEET, HE SAID HE WAS BEING
SAR CAST IGING, ADDING THAT HIS
INSURANCE POLICY REFERS TO GET
THIS ONE, FILES IN MY CASE ABOUT
THE BIDEN FAMILY.
I DON’T THINK SO.
GUILIANI HAS GOOD REASON TO FEAR
HE COULD BE MADE A SCAPEGOAT IN
THE UNFOLDING SCANDAL.
WITNESSES OVER THE PAST TWO
WEEKS HAVE DESCRIBED GUILIANI’S
MEDDLING AS EXPLOSIVE, ALARMING
AND PROBLEMATIC.
AND PROBLEMATIC. ABC NEWS IS REPORTING GUILIANI’S
INDICTED BUSINESS ASSOCIATE LEV
PARNAS HAS PROVIDED THE HOUSE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WITH
QUOTE AUDIO, VIDEO AND PHOTOS
THAT INCLUDE GUILIANI AND TRUMP.
YET IT APPEARS THE PRESIDENT
STILL HAS GUILIANI’S BACK AT
LEAST FOR NOW.
HERE’S TRUMP TODAY.
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF REFUGEE
SAYING HE HAS INSURANCE?
>> OH, I DON’T KNOW, RUDY IS A
GREAT GUY.
GREAT GUY. RUDY IS THE BEST MAYOR IN NEW
YORK, IN MY OPINION, THE
STRONGEST MAYOR, RUDY IS A GREAT
CRIME FIGHTER, CORRUPTION
FIGHTER, PROBABLY THE BEST IN 50
YEARS.
YEARS. I THINK MAYBE THE PRESS ISN’T
TREATING RUDY VERY WELL.
I THINK THAT’S UNFAIR.
>> I AM JOINED BY A WHITE HOUSE
REPORTER AND ROBERT COSTA
NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER FOR
"THE WASHINGTON POST" AND
GUILIANI’S FANS AND FORMER US
ATTORNEY.
ATTORNEY. THIS QUESTION, THIS JUDGE RULING
THAT McGAHN HAS TO TESTIFY,
COULD THIS REVERBERATE THROUGH
THIS VERY HIGH UKRAINE QUESTION,
THIS IMPEACHMENT QUESTION FOR
THE PRESIDENT?
THE PRESIDENT? >> IT COULD.
IT’S A REALLY STUNG OPINION ON
THIS LEVEL.
THIS LEVEL. IT REJECTS THE THEORY THAT THIS
ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT OUT THERE
THAT ITS WITNESSES ARE
ABSOLUTELY IMMUNE FROM
TESTIMONY.
TESTIMONY. THE JUDGE STILL LEAVES OPENED
THE POSSIBILITY THAT WITNESSES
MIGHT SHOW UP, WHICH SHE HAS
SAID THAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND STILL HAVE SOME PRIVILEGE TO
EXERT.
EXERT. BUT, CHRIS, YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW
POWERFUL IT WOULD BE TO HAVE
WITNESSES TESTIFYING IF
CONGRESS, SITTING DOWN AT THE
TABLE AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS
THEY’RE ASKED QUESTIONS REFUSING
TO TESTIFY ON THE BASIS OF
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE OR BECAUSE
OF THEIR FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
THIS IS WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE
BEEN TRYING TO AVOID ALL ALONG.
THE JUDGE HAS PUT IT BACK ON THE
TABLE.
TABLE. THERE IS STILL AN APPELLATE
PROCESS IN THE WORKS.
IT COULD BE EXPEDITED.
BUT THIS NOTION WE COULD HAVE
THESE WITNESSES FACED WITH THE
CHOICE OF RESPONDING ORE OVER
AND OVER TAKING A PRIVILEGE TO
AVOID ANSWERING.
AVOID ANSWERING. I THINK IT COULD BE VERY
COMPELLING TESTIMONY.
COMPELLING TESTIMONY. >> LET’S GET TO IT.
WE’RE GETTING TOWARDS
THANKSGIVING, WE’RE LOOKING
TOWARDS THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS
COMING UP IN A FEW WEEKS.
WE HAVE AN IMPEACHMENT PROCESS
MOVING TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY
PROCESS NEXT WEEK.
THEY’RE ABOUT TO MARK UP I THINK
IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS,
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT.
SO PUT ALL OF THIS SIMULTANEOUS
EQUATION TOGETHER, COULD WE HAVE
FURTHER RULINGS BY JUDGES AT THE
HIGH LEVEL THAT WOULD REQUIRE OR
WHATEVER THE WORD IS, PERMIT,
FOR EXAMPLE, JOHN BOLTON TO SHOW
UP AND TESTIFY WHAT HE WAS DOING
WITH UKRAINE, IN TIME TO MAKE A
DIFFERENCE IN THESE PROCEEDINGS
FOR IMPEACHMENT AND POSSIBLE --
WELL, CERTAINLY GOING TO BE A
TRIAL IN THE SENATE AT THIS
POINT.
POINT. >> I THINK THAT THAT IS ENTIRELY
POSSIBLE.
POSSIBLE. IF THE COURT USES THE EXPEDITED
APPEAL PROCESS, IT COULD RULE
RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
RELATIVELY QUICKLY. THIS RULING IS ROCK SOLID AS A
LEGAL BASIS.
LEGAL BASIS. IT SEEMS VERY UNLIKELY THAT THE
SUPREME COURT WOULD HAVE ANY
RATIONAL REASON FOR HEARING THIS
SORT OF CASE ON APPEAL.
SO, YES, IF THE SUN AND THE MOON
LINE UP, IT’S POSSIBLE WE COULD
HAVE WITNESSES BEING COMPELLED,
MORE LIKELYING THIS IS A LITTLE
LENGTHIER OF A PROCESS THAT
LINGERS INTO THE NEW YEAR,
THOUGH.
THOUGH. >> LET ME TALK ABOUT THE WHITE
HOUSE DOES A BIG STORY TONIGHT
WITH ROBERT HERE.
ROBERT, GUILIANI AND THE
PRESIDENT, ARE THEY LOCK SOLID.
>> THEY ARE.
THEY REMAIN VERY CLOSE FRIENDS.
THOUGH THE PRESIDENT IS RELYING
ON HIS WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL FOR
LEGAL GUIDANCE THAN RUDY
GUILIANI.
GUILIANI. >> WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER
ENTANGLEMENTS THAT GUILIANI IS
INVOLVED WITH?
INVOLVED WITH? I THINK HE’S LIVING OFF THE LAND
OVER THERE.
OVER THERE. IF HE GO ES TO UKRAINE, HE HOOKS
ONE THESE PEOPLE.
THEY PAY HIM A LOT OF MONEY.
DOES THAT PAY FOR HIS TRANSPORT
AROUND THESE HOTELS AND WHERE
HE’S GOING?
HE’S GOING? WHO IS PAYING FOR GUILIANI’S DIG
FOR DIRT?
FOR DIRT? >> IT’S A HUGE TARGET FOR EVERY
REPORTER IN TOWN TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT EXACTLY GUILIANI HAS BEEN
DOING IN TERMS OF HIS FOREIGN
ENTANGLEMENTS.
ENTANGLEMENTS. WHEN WE ASK PEOPLE AT THE WHITE
HOUSE IS HE PREPARED TO LET
GUILIANI SAIL AWAY, CLOSE TIES.
HE WILL STICK WITH HIM, HE’S HIS
CONFIDANTE AND IS WILLING TO GO
ON CONSTANTLY ON TV AMID
IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. >> WHOSE IDEA WAS IT TO HOLD UP
THE MONEY TO FET THE DIRT ON
WIDE SEASON.
WIDE SEASON. >> "THE WASHINGTON POST" LOOKED
INTO THIS AND FOUND NICK
MULVANEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN
E-MAIL EXCHANGES WHETHER THEY
CAN HOLD UP THE AID.
>>S WHO IDEA WAS IT TO GET THE
DIRT?
DIRT? >> IT’S BEEN CLEAR ON TESTIMONY
THAT IT’S PRESIDENT TRUMP’S
DECISION.
DECISION. >> BUT WHO, WAS IT GUILIANI CAME
UP WITH THE IDEA?
WHO CAME UP WITH THE IDEA TO
SQUEEZE, LET’S SHAKE THEM DOWN?
>> WELL, THERE HAS BEEN AN
ONGOING EFFORT IN MONTH, FROM
GUILIANI IN PARTICULAR, THE
PRESIDENT WAS LISTENING, HE HAD
NICK MULVANEY THE ACTING CHIEF
OF STAFF FOLLOW THROUGH.
>> I THINK HADMAN GOT NIXON IN
TROUBLE.
TROUBLE. SAYING THE CIA’S GOT THE CASE.
THAT WAS ALL ON HADMAN, HE TOOK
IT.
IT. NIXON DID IT.
IS GUILIANI THE PERPETRATOR HERE
OR THE AGENT?
>> WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF PEOPLE
IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO SAID
REPEATEDLY, WE NEED TO GET
GUILIANI OUT OF HIS EAR ON THIS.
SHE FEEDING HIM CONSPIRACY
THEORIES, UKRAINE OF ONE, THAT
GUILIANI TALKS TO THE PRESIDENT
ABOUT AND THEN THE PRESIDENT
GETS THESE IDEAS AND CHOOSES TO
ACT ON THEM.
I DON’T THINK WE KNOW AT THIS
POINT THE FULL STORY OF EXACTLY
HOW IT CAME TO BE.
>> A BOMBSHELL REPORT, REUTERS
KNEW REVEALS HOW FEDERAL
INVESTIGATORS ARE ALSO
SCRUTINIZING MR. GUILIANI,
HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. ACCORDING TO A GRAND JURY
SUBPOENA, QUOTE, FEDERAL
PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK ARE
SEEKING PAYMENTS THAT RUDY
GUILIANI IS A PART OF AN ACTIVE
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. WHILE THE SUBPOENA DOES NOT
INDICATE HE IS SUSPECTED OF
WRONG-DOING.
WRONG-DOING. IT SHOW, QUOTE, THE CRIMES BEING
INVESTIGATED INCLUDE MONEY
LAUNDERING, WIRE FRAUD, CAMPAIGN
FINANCE VIOLATION, MAKING FALSE
STATEMENTS, OBSTRUCTION OF
JUSTICE AND VIOLATIONS OF THE
FOREIGN AGENCY REGISTRATIONING
A.
A. FA -- REGISTRATIONS ACT.
FARA.
FARA. HOW MUCH GRIME IS THIS GUY
PICKING UP ALONG THE WAY IN HIS
PARTIAL SERVICE OF THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. I THINK GUILIANI HAS HIS OWN
FISH TO FRY OVER THERE IN TERMS
OF MAKING MONEY?
>> GUILIANI REALLY LOOKS LIKE
THE NEW MICHAEL COHEN AND I
THINK THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASK
JILL IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE
CENTRAL ISSUES HERE.
WAS GUILIANI ACTING THROUGHOUT
ALL OF THIS TIME AT THE
PRESIDENT’S DIRECTION OR WAS HE
SORT OF MICHAEL COHEN-STYLE
CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT AND
SELLING ACCESS AND SELLING
INFLUENCE AND IS THAT WHERE A
LOT OF THESE POTENTIAL CHARGES,
WHICH WE DON’T KNOW FOR CERTAIN
THAT THEY REACHED GUILIANI, BUT
WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT WIRE
FRAUD AND MONEY LAUNDERING AND
SENDING OUT SUBPOENAS TO ALL OF
THESE ASSOCIATED COMPANIES AND