against him so it was profoundly surreal extremely
well aware of what we had and the kind of impact it might
newsline and it's a global story so you wish your
did it. We kept it classy Brian. Kept it classy. And and
journalist brain has going we've won the lottery totally
I think my brain was in two parts. So I'm an ex-lawy
of this? You know in your your job also? Were you thinking
television but let's say it starts with why can't we be on
behind him. What were you thinking when he was saying all
serious subject of course. Of course. But a very lighthearted
him. The whole world watched that interview. We are still
it and it changed the way we talk about things that thousand
raised when you've worked out how to negotiate with a member
going to do this negotiation with Emily Maitless the
said in negotiation and the things said on camera but I
guest with him to your final meeting with him. Tell us more.
negotiation with his eh very charming and nice daughter
many many young women around the world. You also describe in
familiar with clients who felt if only they explained it
as my background his criminal defense barrister. I'm very
opportunity to vindicate himself to clear it all up. And
he legitimately in his head would have thought this was an
interview is going to go badly particularly not that badly and like Prince Andrew was the powers that be. He was in a
Why do you think the Powers That Be let Prince Andrew do
an extraordinary situation so overwhelming to be frank
frank because I am you know an ordinaryish person thrown into
unsettling obviously exciting but mostly overwhelming to be
they're going to perform but of course sitting there I was very
have on him on the country and of course on the litigation
interview no ill you have an open mind obviously on how
because every single answer is a newsline it's a global
later? It it starts with oh my and it ends with God. Yes we
that you're saying I'm not saying they were untrue but
memes a thousand jokes and all from that interview on such a
would have ever it of course because you know that's not how
like wow? I was thinking words we can't use on polite
criminal defense right? So my half of my brain was going oh
being there in that room booking a palace. 15 feat
outcome. I think you just said that you were 15 feet behind
my law this is very very dangerous for you the things
they were easy to disprove if they were untrue and then my
talking about it. But what was it like? Talk us through that
certainly did not think until I was sitting there 15 feet
career that there was no disparity between the things
up and they tell you nothing now this was the one time in my
producer's curse. You do a phone call with the guest. They
negotiations work but once in the public domain we all heard
do ten out of ten. They spill the tea. Tell you everything
behind him in Puckingham Palace on that day that he would
obviously they've tweaked the cameras are rolling now. Well a
hundred percent we all familiar with this. I called it the
rolling surely you think oh they'll never say that because
know what he was trying to say in the actual interview because
actually say all of that on camera and had he not nobody
you want to hear the second the camera starts rolling they clam
it's one thing saying that in a meeting when the cameras start
became two massive talking points after the interview. Did
Pizza Express as we all know the lack of sweating and they
is the curve ball of curve balls in my career. For sure
matters of a most delicate and egregious type and now you've
you ever think he'd actually say those things and share you
Princess Beatrice and I tell you the stakes are really
which obviously caused this cataclysmic outcome for him and
accusations and that he would make his life simpler and
for sure. Eh did in in your meeting with him he brought up
curve ball of curveballs. He arrived at the final
of the royal family in Buckingham Palace about sexual
gotta do it in front of his daughter. Well I tell you that
presenter and Stuart McLean the deputy editor and then the
Hadn't had any sleep. Not much food working out how I was
Well absolutely you can imagine I kind of spent a lot of time.
that he wanted to share. Clearly nobody ever thinks an
sense in you know I've inferred over the time like almost a
accusations and the terrible friendship with Jeffrey Epstein
your book how Prince Andrew brought along a very unexpected
return to the life he once enjoyed before these terrible
motivation that he clearly felt he had good answers to the
everything would be fine. And I think that was really his
the interview at all? Well I can't be certain but I feel
bomb waiting to go off. It was clear he had things on his mind