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ELIZABETH: JOINING US NOW FORMER
FEDERAL PROSECUTOR, WE LOVE THIS
GUY, HE IS JUMP TRUSTY.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON.
SOURCES KEEP TELLING
"THE EVENING EDIT" MORE PEOPLE
WILL BE CHARGED BY SPECIAL
COUNSEL JOHN DURHAM IN HIS
CRIMINAL PROBE OF THE BOTCHED
TRUMP-RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
UNCLEAR WHETHER IT IS MORE LYING
TO THE FBI.
HERE IS THE DEBATE, CONSPIRACY
CHARGES.
YOU KNOW CONSPIRACY IS IN THE
LAW.
NO LAW ABOUT COLLUSION BUT
CONSPIRACY.
TWO OR MORE PEOPLE KNOWINGLY
DEFRAUDING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT,
FALSELY PLANTING FALSE
INFORMATION INSIDE THE FBI AND
DOJ TO GO AFTER TRUMP.
THAT IS THE DEBATE, JIM, WHAT DO
YOU THINK?
>> YEAH I THINK DURHAM HAS BEEN
CHUGGING ALONG.
OBVIOUSLY THESE INDICTMENTS
NECESSARILY MAKE YOU LOOK AT THE
POSSIBILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE
BEING INDICTED.
THERE ARE SPEAKING INDICTMENTS.
THEY TALK ABOUT A LOT OF CONDUCT
OUTSIDE OF FALSE STATEMENTS.
WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR EYE OPEN TO
SEE IF IT PASSES THROUGH THE
POLITICAL TEST THROUGH THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL.
JOHN DURHAM HAS TO ANSWER THE
BOSS OF DOJ THAT WILL BE A REAL
INTEGRITY TEST WHEN VIPs ARE
IN HARM’S WAY.
PEOPLE HIGH UP IN THE FBI
ADMINISTRATION INCLUDING ALL THE
WAY UP TO COMEY AND HIGH UP IN
THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN
SIDE.
THIS THING COULD REACH VERY HIGH
HEIGHTS.
ELIZABETH: POLITICIZED OUTCOME
WHEN IT WAS POLITICAL TO BEGIN
WITH?
FORMER FBI OFFICIALS, FORMER FBI
OFFICIALS OUTRAGED HOW
POLITICIZED FBI GOT.
THE FBI WILL ACT ON PROBABLE
CAUSE, RIGHT?
MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING THROW THE
BOOK AT HILLARY CLINTON AND HER
TEAM.
CHARGE THEM WITH RACKETEERING
AND CONSPIRACY.
WATCH A.G. BARR WITH MARTHA MACK
ON FOX NEWS.
WATCH THIS.
>> I DO THINK PEOPLE WILL BE
HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
I THINK HE WILL, I HOPE, THAT
THERE WILL BE MORE INDICTMENTS
BUT ALSO I THINK THERE WILL BE A
REPORT AND AN ACCOUNTING THROUGH
A REPORT.
>> CRIMINAL CHARGES?
>> I THINK, YOU KNOW BE POSSIBLY
CRIMINAL CHARGES.
ELIZABETH: SO HE IS SAYING
POSSIBLY CRIMINAL CHARGES.
YOUR THOUGHTS THERE?
>> I THINK HE IS BEING
OPTIMISTIC.
IF HE WAS STILL THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL HE MIGHT HAVE GREAT
CAUSE FOR THAT.
HE IS BASICALLY RIGHT TO HAVE
THE OUTLOOK THAT JOHN DURHAM
PURSUES EVIDENCE AND THE
EVIDENCE HAS BEEN VERY DAMNING
AND STRONG FROM THE OUTSIDE SO
FAR BUT WE HAVE TO SEE HOW IT
PLAYS OUT IN COURT.
I THINK THERE IS A CHANCE HE
GETS VERY HIGH UP IN THE HILLARY
RODHAM CLINTON CAMPAIGN.
MAYBE ALL THE WAY UP TO HER.
FBI LEADERSHIP WHO WAS
POLITICIZED HAS A LOT TO BE
FEARFUL OF WITH JOHN DURHAM.
POLITICAL TEST IF ATTORNEY
GENERAL GARLAND WILL LET THIS
STUFF GO THROUGH.
WILL HE TRY TO NEGATE WHERE
DURHAM GOES?
ELIZABETH: ROBERT MUELLER DIDN’T
FIND THIS.
DIDN’T FIND WHAT HILLARY CLINTON
TEAM WAS ALLEGING.
DURHAM SAID COMPUTER EXPERT
RODNEY JOFFE EXPLOITED INTERNET
TRAFFIC INFORMATION AT TRUMP
TOWER, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CENTRAL
PARK WEST APARTMENT BUILDING AND
EXECUTIVE OFFICE BUILDING.
BELIEVED HE WAS WORKING ON THE
FEDERAL CONTRACT WITH DARPA FOR
SECURITY.
THAT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN BY
MICHAEL SUSSMAN, WE KNOW THE
STORY.
THAT IS THE STORY.
HE PLEADS INNOCENT.
DARPA DENIES A ROLE OF THE DNC
HACK IN COMPUTERS ABOUT RUSSIA.
THIS IS OUT IN THE FEDERAL LIFT,
SPECIAL COUNSEL SETTLE DURHAM
TEAM ASKING A CLINTON COMPUTER
EXPERT ABOUT THIS THAT PRO WAS
WORKING ON THE TRUMP-RUSSIA
COLLUSION NARRATIVE.
DARPA, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT
THIS.
PENTAGON’S DARPA, POWERFUL
AGENCY, IS STILL IN THE STORY,
JIM.
>> IT IS IN THE STORY BUT NOT
NECESSARILY ACCOMPLICE.
>> RIGHT.
>> I THINK THE BIG ISSUE THAT
MIGHT PLAY OUT IN THE SUSSMAN
TRIAL IN MAY WHETHER DARPA WAS A
KNOWING PARTICIPANT OR PEOPLE
WITH ACCESS TO CONTRACTS AND
ACCESS TO DATA WERE MISUSING IT
FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.
THAT IS THE WAY THE SUSSMAN
INDICTMENT READS RIGHT NOW.
WE’LL SEE IF DARPA PROPER IS IN
HARM’S WAY AS MUCH AS THESE
ACADEMICS WERE.
ELIZABETH: JIM, YOU AND I TALKED
ABOUT IT, TAKE OUT THE NAMES
TRUMP, TAKE OUT THE NAMES
CLINTON, TAKE OUT THE OBAMA,
TAKE OUT ALL THE NAMES, WHEN YOU
SEE WHAT HAPPENS USING POWERS OF
THEIR FEDERAL POLICE OFFICERS
WHO GO AFTER A POLITICAL RIVAL.
YOU HAVE TO THROW THE BOOK AT
THEM.
IT CAN’T JUST BE PROCESS CRIMES
LIKELYING TO THE FBI.
>> YEAH.
I MEAN IT FEELS VERY THIRD
WORLD, RIGHT?
TO HAVE THE MACHINERY OF THE FBI
LEADERSHIP WILLFULLY AND WILLING
TAKING FALSE INFORMATION TO
INTRUDE INTO THE POLITICAL
PROCESS.
I MEAN THAT IS, MY HEART FROM
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE YEARS I’VE
SPENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE
GOES BACK TO THAT ISSUE OF THE
FBI’S COMPLICITY IS A BIG POINT.