>>> POLICE OFFICERS KILLED
GEORGE FLOYD ON MEMORIAL DAY
THIS YEAR.
HERE WE ARE A DAY BEFORE THE
FOURTH OF JULY WITH A VERY LONG
WAY STILL TO GO AND THE PATH TO
SOCIAL JUSTICE BUT THINK ABOUT
WHEN’S HAPPENED JUST IN THE PAST
FEW WEEKS.
SOME RACIST RELICS SWECHTPT AWAY
MISSISSIPPI STATE FLAG, STATUES
AND NOW THIS, THE NFL TEAM IN
WASHINGTON, D.C. SAYS THEY’RE
GOING TO DO A QUOTE THOROUGH
REVIEW OF THE TEAM’S NAME WHICH
HAS BEEN CONDEMNED AS AN
ANTI-INDIGENOUS SLUR AFTER FEDEX
WHICH HAS NAMING RIGHTS TO THE
TEAM’S STADIUM REQUESTED
YESTERDAY THAT OWNERSHIP MAKE A
CHANGE.
JOINING THE CONVERSATION, OUR
FRIENDS EDDIE GLAUD AT PRINCETON
UNIVERSITY AND AUTHOR OF A NEW
BOOK THAT WE’LL GET TO IN A
MINUTE THAT EVERYBODY’S TALKING
ABOUT AND MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST
MAYA WILEY.
LOTS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, TOO.
MADAME MAYOR.
LET ME START WITH THIS D.C.
DEBATE THAT HAS RAGED FOR YEARS,
EDDIE.
YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO ME FOR THREE
YEARS ON THIS PROGRAM AND FOR
ALMOST A DECADE BEFORE THAT ON
"MORNING JOE" ABOUT THESE RACIST
REMINDERS BEING A REMINDER OF
WHO WE STILL ARE.
WHAT DOES IT SAY TO YOU THAT
SOME OF THE BIGGER THINGS ARE
FALLING, BIGGER THINGS THAT WITH
STOOD CRITICISM FOR YEARS AND
YEARS.
>> I MEAN, IT SAYS TO ME I THINK
WE ARE ON THE PRECIPICE OF
CHANGE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.
THE DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFTS HAVE
PLACED US AT A CERTAIN POSITION.
THE GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM OVER THE
LAST FEW YEARS, IT’S COME TO A
HEAD IN SOME WAYS.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IT REMIND ME
OF, IF WE THINK ABOUT HOW THE
SHIFT AROUND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
HAPPENED, THERE WAS JUST CLEAR
OPPOSITION.
IT WAS PART OF THE CULTURE WARS
AND THEN BOOM IT JUST HAPPENED
IN SOME WAYS.
RIGHT?
SO YOU HAD ACTIVISM AND THEN A
CULTURAL SHIFT AND I THINK WE
ARE SEEING THAT WITH REGARDS TO
CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS, TO THESE
RACIAL SLURS, THESE ETHNIC
INSENSITIVITY.
WE ARE SEEING THAT NOW BUT
THERE’S NO NECESSARY
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE KIND
OF SYMBOLIC SHIFTS AND
SUBSTANTIVE POLICY SHIFT THAT IS
WILL ADDRESS FUNDAMENTAL
INEQUALITY IN THE COUNTRY BUT
IT’S A STEP.
>> THERE’S KNOWING SOMETHING IS
WRONG AND DOING SOMETHING ABOUT
IT.
THERE WAS KNOWING THAT THE
THINGS WRONG, CRINGEWORTHY TO
SAY THE NAME OF THE TEAM AND
THEN THERE’S DOING SOMETHING
ABOUT IT.
WHAT IS SORT OF THAT IN THAT
BROTH THAT IS THE DELTA BETWEEN
KNOWING THINGS ARE WRONG AND
ERASING THE THINGS THAT ARE
WRONG OR TRYING TO?
>> I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH
CHANGING THE FRAMEWORK.
IF YOU IMAGINE IF YOU HAVE A
PARTICULAR KIND OF SEASONING IN
THE BROTH THAT MAKES IT BITTER,
SO TYPICALLY OVER THE LAST FEW
DECADES WHENEVER WE TALKED ABOUT
THESE ISSUES WE FRAMED THEM WITH
AT LEAST PART OF THE DEBATE
FRAMED WITHIN THE DEBATE OF
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
THERE WAS A SENSE IN WHICH IF
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE REDSKINS,
THE CON FEDERAL MONUMENTS AND
THE FLAG AND THE LIKE IT’S NOT
READ AS AN INSISTENCE OF THE
LIBERALS, PROGRESSIVES TO POLICE
LANGUAGE, WHO WANTED TO POLICE
BELIEF AND WE KNOW NOW THAT THAT
FRAME IS AT LEAST FRACTURING.
ALTHOUGH DONALD TRUMP IS IN SOME
WAYS APPEALING TO IT.
IN THE LAST BLOCK, YOU TALKED
ABOUT WHAT WAS HE DOING?
WE ARE SEEING ELEMENTS OF THE
SOUTHERN STRATEGY MORPHING INTO
WHAT IT WAS ALL ALONG AND THAT’S
THE WHITE NATIONALIST STRATEGY
SO YOU HAVE APPEAL TO HERITAGE,
CALLS FOR LAW AND ORDER, SEEN
THE PRESIDENTIAL ADS ABOUT
DEFUND THE POLICE FROM THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN AND OF COURSE VOTER
SUPPRESSION DESIGNED TO APPEAL
TO WHAT?
WHITE FEARS, WHITE RESENTIMENT,
WHITE GRIEVANCES ASIDE OF GREED