We were just talking about
the state of the 20, 24 race.
And you obviously what sets you
is that you were willing to go
after Trump
in a way
that no one else in the 2024 fie
We see a Hutchinson and we'll he
they do criticize him
but not in the way that you have
Do you believe
those who don't are making a mis
you made in 2016. Exactly.
I think they're making a mistake
not only that I made
but the Jeb Bush made
and Marco Rubio made and Ted Cru
and John Kasich made
that we didn't go
after Trump early enough
and we allowed a certain narrati
to set in about Donald Trump
that then became impossible
for us to change or overcome.
And so look, he has been
a major world figure
for the last eight years.
And so we're not going to be abl
to knock down his numbers
or shakes off his support.
I've been in the race for three
in three weeks,
but we have, you know, seven mon
until the first people vote.
And my message will be heard by
And I think the American people
about the truth, Kate, that I re
And I think
the Republican Party cares
about the truth
and I think they want to hear it
But no one's been saying it to t
And I'm going to say it to them
over the next seven months.
We have questions on your fundra
but on Donald Trump's fundraisin
he has quietly begun diverting m
that he
is raising for his 20, 24 campai
into a political action
committee that he has used,
which we can see from filings
for his personal legal fees.
What do you make of that?
It's disgraceful.
He's going to middle class
men and women in this country,
and they're donating 15, 25, 50
because they believe in Donald T
and they want him to be presiden
They're not giving that money
so he can pay his personal legal
And let's remember something.
He's a billionaire.
He's a billionaire,
self-professed billionaire.
Why can't he use his own money
to pay his personal legal fees
and not use money coming from th
It's disgraceful.
And it's a continued grift.
And look,
the Trump family has been involv
in grifting for quite some time.
He was doing this
in terms of the people
who got paid out of this PAC bef
whether it was Kimberly Guilfoyl
or other members of the family.
Jared Kushner, six months after
the White House, gets $2 billion
from the Saudi sovereign wealth
When Donald Trump had
put him in a position
to be in the Middle East,
what was Jared Kushner
doing in the Middle East?
We had Rex Tillerson
and Mike Pompeo as secretaries o
We need Jared Kushner.
He was put there
to make those relationships
and then he cashed
in on those relationships
when he left the office.
So what Donald Trump's doing now
is just a continuation
of what he's
permitted his family
to do over the entire course of
as president.
Why do you think he's
not using his own money
to pay for his legal fees?
Because he's the cheapest person
I've ever met in my life.
That's why.
And what he's very good at.
Kaitlin is spending other people
And if you look at his history
in New Jersey
history, he's misleading his vot
his supporters by
I think, their supporters.
You know,
write a check to Trump for presi
They think they're paying
for campaign expenses,
not for personal legal expenses.
This is what happened to him,
let's say
with the documents case
had nothing to do with the campa
at all.
It's a personal fault of his mis
he made
that he's not being held to acco
who has to pay lawyers to defend
The same thing with the Stormy D
case in New York.
I think it was a ridiculous indi
to bring.
But nonetheless, it's
based on his personal conduct
of allegedly paying off Stormy D
to keep her quiet during an elec
These are not things that the pu
should be paying for
and certainly not people
who are supporting him for presi
And giving him the money,
thinking it's going to be used
to help forward
his campaign when, in essence,
all he's doing
is using it to pay his own legal
so he keep more money in his own
and keep running his jet And,
you know,
going back
and forth between Bedminster
and Maryland, Mar a Lago,
there's a new Quinnipiac
poll that finds 61% of Republica
in your backyard
in Pennsylvania
have an unfavorable opinion of y
You're obviously very well known
but you're not exactly well-like
by Republican voters
when you look at the polls.
Why do you think that is?
Well, we had the same situation
eight years ago,
and we were able to turn that
around to a large extent.
But the
reason is because
I governed the blue state Caitly
And so when you govern a blue st
you have to make compromises
if you want to get things done.
And I'm also someone
who speaks really directly
I'm not looking to
you know, as you can see from to
I'm not looking to
play a bumper pool here
and not answer questions.
So when you answer questions dir
you get you get reactions
and emotional reactions from peo
Lastly,
you know, I think that
when you have political capital,
which I had a lot of in New Jers
you're there to spend it
to do things of consequence.
We haven't had a president
who's been willing
to do that for a long time.
And that's the kind of president
when I win the election.
I'll have a lot of popular alrea
and I'm going to spend that popu
to do the difficult,
big things that this country nee
Can you get your polling up enou
or are you going to make it
on the debate stage?
Sure.
Well,
I'm already from a polling persp
We're at 9%
in some polls in New Hampshire.
What about on fundraising?
We're
not going have any problem meeti
the 40,000 person threshold. Oka
So you'll be on the debate stage
I certainly will be.
And everybody's concerned about
Go to Chris Christie dot com rig
Donate. We'll be fine.
Speaking of New Hampshire,
Governor DeSantis was there yest
Obviously he's another 2024 chal
He was asked by a high school st
about January six
and how Republicans handle that.
This is what he said to that stu
Do you believe
that Trump violated
the peaceful transfer of power,
a key principle
that of American democracy,
that we must uphold you in high
Yeah.
So I wasn't anywhere near Washin
that day.
I have nothing to do with
what happened that day.
Obviously, I didn't enjoy seeing
you know, what happened.
But we've got to go forward
on this stuff.
We cannot be looking backwards
and be mired in the past.
He talked a little
bit before that about
how Biden is running for office
and why he or Biden running
and why he should be.
But is that the way you think Re
should be answering
that question on January the six
He wasn't anywhere near Washingt
Did he have a TV?
Was he alive that day?
Did he see what was going on?
I mean, that's
one of the most ridiculous answe
I've heard in this race so far.
You don't have an opinion
about January 6th, except to say
particularly enjoy what happened
People were killed exactly as st
people were killed.
Caitlin, as you know,
that day
on Capitol Hill defending the Ca
we had members of Congress
who were running for their lives
We have people
trying to hunt down the vice pre
the United States
chanting hang Mike Pence and Don
the entire time
sat outside the Oval Office
in that little dining room,
his eating a well-done cheesebur
and watching TV and doing nothin
what was going on
until it got to the point
where even he could no longer st
And he finally, at four
something in the afternoon,
put out a video
asking people to leave the Capit
And Ron DeSantis doesn't
have any opinion on that.
Look, I know,
by the way, I'm pretty sure
I know who that high school stud
He goes to every town
hall meeting in New Hampshire.
He's been to three of mine.
And he asked really tough questi
And I said to him,
the last time I had a town hall
he was out of mine.
See if any of the candidates
will answer your questions direc
and grade them on it.
I suspect when I go back and see
in New Hampshire next time I go
to see
if this is going to get an F
for that answer,
If he asked you that question,
how would you answer it?
I would say
it was one of the most disgracef
in American history
and that the president
was principally responsible for
One through the conduct and his
from election
night forward, inciting people
and insisting that the election
was stolen when it wasn't
through his speech that day,
when he attacked
directly his own vice president
and incited
those people to be angry at Mike
who was just
performing his constitutional du
and he had no choice.
And every lawyer,
good lawyer
had told people that
that he couldn't
do anything different than that.
And then while the event was goi
on, while the riot was going on
on Capitol Hill,
we know that Donald Trump was wa
and was being urged
by even members of his own famil
to get out there and say somethi
And he refused
because he was enjoying watching
people yell, scream
and destroy things in his name.
That's the kind of answer
you should give.
And that makes someone, in addit
to all of the other things,
unfit to be president, the Unite
You mentioned Pence,
as you have been such
a vocal critic of Trump
in these last few weeks
since you entered this race.
Have you heard
from people who worked
in his White House that agree wi
I have
a number
of them
of people who were treated
horribly by him.
Look,
one of the untold stories here i
if he were ever to win again,
and I don't think he can
but if he were to win,
who would go to work for him?
He called Bill Barr a gutless pi
a two time
United States attorney general
who he picked
and said
was one of the brightest
lawyers in America when he picke
He called Rex Tillerson,
the former CEO of ExxonMobil,
and his first secretary of state
who he said
was the personification
of the American dream.
When he left,
he called them lazy
as hell and dumb as a rock.
Now, let me ask you, Caitlin,
people who are treated
like that, people
of the esteem of Rex
Tillerson and Bill Barr,
and there are plenty of other ex
why would anyone go
and work for him again
when you know that it's
always going to end that way?
No one has walked out of there u
If you dare to disagree with him
that's what he does to you.
Is that really
the kind of president we want?
Is that
and if the country is angry and
it's not the only reason
Joe Biden is a big reason.
I think we're divided and angry
But Donald Trump has made it wor
during his presidency.
And he said it himself, Caitlin.
He said if he gets reelected, he
I will be your retribution.
Well, I've known him for 22 year
He won't be anybody's retributio
But his own.