>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ANY
PRIVATE ORGANIZATION HAS BUILT
BORDER WALL ON PRIVATE LAND AND
IT'S HAPPENING HERE IN THE EL
PASO AREA.
THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAID
THAT PIECE OF LAND IS TOO RUGGED
TO BUILD ON YOU CAN'T BUILD
THERE SO WE BUILD THE WALL AND
PROVED THEM WRONG AND THE WALL
HAS BEEN GOING UP OVER THE
WEEKEND.
WE'RE WORKING 24/7 OVER THE
HOLIDAY WEEKEND TO GIVE AMERICA
A PRESENT ON THIS MEMORIAL DAY.
DAVID: THAT WAS FORMER KANSAS
SECRETARY OF STATE CHRIS KOBACK
TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE
INDUSTRIES STEPPING IN WHERE THE
GOVERNMENT, AT LEAST SO FAR,
COULDN'T.
THE GROUP WE BUILD THE WALL,
BUILT FENCING OUTSIDE OF EL PASO
AND THEY SAY THEY DID IT FASTER
AND CHEAPER THAN THE GOVERNMENT
COULD, SO FAR THE GROUP RAISED
OVER $22 MILLION ON GOFUNDME AND
YESTERDAY, THE GROUP COMPLETED
HALF A MILE OF AN 18-FOOT HIGH
STEEL-BARRED WALL.
THEY SAY THE NEW SECTION FILLS
IN A GAP ON THE U.S. MEXICO
BORDER SO IS THIS ANOTHER
EXAMPLE OF WHAT PRIVATE INDUSTRY
COULD AND SHOULD DO RATHER THAN
THE GOVERNMENT?
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WHERE THE
PRIVATE INDUSTRY SHOWS THEY DO
THINGS BETTER THAN THE
GOVERNMENT WHICH ISN'T ANYBODY'S
SURPRISE BUT IF YOU'RE BUILT
HALF A MILE WITH THAT WALL YOU
STILL HAVE 1,953.5 MILES LEFT TO
BUILD ON THE MEXICAN BORDER.
LOOK THIS IS RIDICULOUS THAT
WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT THAT
CITIZENS FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO
FORM A MALITIA, BUILD A WALL OR
SOMETHING FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY
OR WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE
BUILDING IT FOR AND EVEN IF WE
BUILD A WALL, YOU CAN NOT BUILD
A WALL.
THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS
CORRECT ABOUT THAT.
YOU STILL HAVE 860,000 PEOPLE
BACKED UP IN AMNESTY CASES AND
YOU STILL HAVE 11 TO 12 MILLION
PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH A WALL IS
CERTAINLY PART OF IT BUT IT
SHOULDN'T BE CITIZENS BUILDING
THAT.
WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE
IMMIGRATION REFORM WHICH NO ONE
IS PROPOSING RIGHT NOW AND IT'S
SHAMEFUL ON OUR GOVERNMENT THAT
WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
DAVID: IT IS.
>> WHICH SHOWS THAT YOU'VE GOT
THE PRIVATE SECTOR OVERLOOKING
THAT PUTTING UP A WALL THAT THE
QUALITY COULD BE COMPROMISED.
THIS WALL WAS, THE MONEY CAME
FROM A GOFUNDME PAGE LIKE WE
HEARD IN THE INTRO.
ITS BEEN STARTED SINCE DECEMBER.
THEY'VE AVERAGED ABOUT $67 PER
DONATION TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT
$22 MILLION, THEY'VE ONLY PUT UP
ABOUT HALF A MILE BUT THEY'RE
SAYING IT'S CHEAPER IT COST US
ABOUT 6 MILLION TO PUT UP BUT
THE MAIN CONTRACTOR, THAT'S WHAT
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE MAIN
CONTRACTOR IS FISH ERIN DUST ARE
S I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S
FAMILIAR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE
PRESIDENT PUSHED FORWARD IN THE
PAST TO BECOME THE MAIN
CONTRACTOR FOR THIS WALL SO THIS
COULD BE A PUBLICITY STUNT, FOR
THIS COMPANY, AND SAY LOOK HOW
FAST WE DID IT LOOK HOW QUICKLY
WE COULD PUT UP HALF A MILE WHY
DON'T YOU GIVE US THE CONTRACT
FOR THE FULL BORDER.
>> IT FEELS LIKE A BAD USE OF
MONEY SO IF YOU ARE TRYING TO
RAISE $1 BILLION, AND YOU RAISE
22 MILLION, YOU ARE STILL
978 MILLION SHORT FROM WHAT YOUR
GOAL WAS.
NOT REALLY SURE WHY CHRIS KOBACK
THINKS THIS WAS MORE WHEN
YOU ARE NOWHERE NEAR YOUR GOAL.
I ACTUALLY THINK THEY SHOULD
GIVE BACK THE 22 MILLION.
>> OH.
>> OH, GOD YEAH EVERYBODY HERE
HATES THE ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT
>> NO.
>> I THINK THIS IS AMAZING
PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER.
THEY RAISED MONEY, VOLUNTEERS
WENT OUT AND THEY SHOWED
SOMETHING COULD GET DONE MORE
EFFECTIVELY, MORE EFFICIENTLY,
MORE QUICKLY, AND I THINK THAT
THIS IS A FANTASTIC AND MAYBE
THIS PUTS PRESSURE ON THE
GOVERNMENT TO GET ITS ACT
TOGETHER AND TO DO IMMIGRATION
REFORM AND IF NOT, IT GIVES US
ANOTHER SOLUTION, BECAUSE AT THE
END OF THE DAY, THE GOVERNMENT
IS ALWAYS INEFFECTIVE.
THEY'RE ALWAYS INEFFICIENT AND
THEY ALWAYS DO A BAD JOB.
>> A HALF A MILE OF WALL
HONESTLY, LET ME FINISH.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BUILD.
A HALF A MILE --
>> IT'S A PROOF OF CONCEPT, IF
YOU GOT DONALD TRUMP ON TWITTER
ASKING FOR THE DONATIONS TO
GOFUNDME YOU DON'T THINK THAT WE
COULD RAISE MORE THAN
$22 MILLION AND DO A SUBSTANTIAL
PORTION?
DAVID: SO WHAT'S NEXT A MALITIA
>> RIGHT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I'M ONLY RESPONDING TO YOU THINK
THIS HALF MILE WILL BRING
IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT'S JUST
NOT HAPPENING.
DAVID: HOLD ON A SECOND BECAUSE
THERE IS ONE GROUP BESIDES CAROL
AND MYSELF BY THE WAY WHO
APPROVE OF THIS.
I'M FOR EVERYBODY TAKING A PART
IN THIS, BUT THE BORDER PATROL
AGENTS, THE BORDER PATROL AGENTS
ONE LIKE ANYBODY HERE PUTS THEIR
LIVES ON THE LINE EVERY SINGLE
DAY, PROTECTING OUR BORDER AND
TRYING TO MAKE SOME SENSE OUT OF
THIS MESS THAT IS THE BORDER AND
I WOULD THINK JOHN, FOR EXAMPLE,
THAT YOU BEING A TEXAN WOULD
APPRECIATE THAT.
>> I'M PRETTY SURE THE FACT
THAT OUR BORDER AGENTS ARE DOING
A WONDERFUL JOB AND SHOULD BE
SALUTED FOR THE JOB THEY ARE
DOING AND I THINK I CAN'T READ
THEIR MINDS IS THAT THEY WANT
AWARENESS RAISED FOR WHAT THE
ISSUE IS GOING ON BECAUSE THEY
ARE ALL SAYING 100% ARE SAYING
THIS IS A CRISIS GOING ON AT THE
BORDER.
I JUST DON'T THINK THE CITIZENS
SHOULD BE BUILDING WALLS.
I DON'T THINK CITIZENS SHOULD BE
ARMED DEFENDING OUR BORDER
ASTHMA LUSH A EITHER.
I THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS A
ROLE TO DO THIS.
DAVID: BUT THEY ARE PARTICIPAT
ING IN THAT ROLE, JOHN
THAT'S THE POINT WHAT IF THEY'RE
NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE EITHER
BECAUSE OF A JUDGE OR BECAUSE
DEMOCRATIC SQUABBLING OR
WHATEVER.
>> BUT WHAT'S THE ANSWER, DAVID
DAVID: WELL THIS MIGHT BE THE
ANSWER.
WHO KNOWS AT LEAST IT'S A START.
LOOK, I KNOW IT'S A LONG WAY TO
GO AND ROBERT IS ABSOLUTELY
RIGHT.
I MEAN IT'S A RIDICULOUSLY SMALL
PART OF WHAT HAS TO BE DONE.
ON THE OTHER HAND SOMEBODY IS
DOING SOMETHING AND THAT SHOULD
BE APPRECIATED.
>> BUT DON'T YOU AGREE CITIZENS
ARMING THEMSELVES IS INCORRECT?
DAVID: THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
THIS IS THE WALL.
>> TO JOHN'S POINT HE MIGHT BE
THINKING A LITTLE BIT LONG TERM.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING STEP YOU
HAVE CIVILIANS BUILDING A WALL,
WHAT'S NEXT AND THEN YOU'LL
START PROTECTING ARE THEY GOING
TO BECOME CONTRACTORS THAT
EVENTUALLY WILL START TO PAY OUT
DAVID: SO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY
AND PEOPLE ARE PRO TECHING THEIR
OWN PROPERTY, I'M IN FAVOR OF
OUR ABILITY OF CITIZENS TO DO
THAT.
>> THESE ARE PEOPLE TAKING
ACTION AND PUTTING THEIR MONEY
WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS.
WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE ALWAYS
SPEWING RHETORIC THIS IS
SOMEBODY TAKING ACTION.
WE SHOULD APPLAUD PEOPLE TAKING
ACTION IT DOESN'T ABOUT SOLVE
OUR GOVERNMENT FOR THE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING
SOMETHING BUT IF THEY DON'T DO
SOMETHING I AM PROUD THAT FELLOW
AMERICANS HAVE GONE OUT AND DONE
THIS.
DAVID: IT'S BETTER BETTER THAN