that the c_s_ any specifically
evening without quickly and briefly just as i guess
give us an overview of all what it is
and um... how it's being used against i mean it was
most famously use dot
and uh... the late uh... parents warts is case uh...
he was facing
what was then i think thirty five years in prison under the sea f_a_a_
for basically uh...
going into uh... m_i_t_ of m_i_t_ causing connecting his laptop today
rocked their network an ass and accessing like a mass amount of up
obviously accessible academic journals an amidst amazing thirty five years for
that's also what is the fact and i was it was it saying how it's being has to
be used against these people
well uh... the computer ordered respect the reputed and what we know it will be
looking at you
four and before the internet before h_t_t_p_ who you should go i thought i
thought i'd let you know everything and other country it was designed to protect
you know
federally protected computers you know and
uh... had major economic implications immense slowly
overtime budgets amended um...
and the governor bursting at the main thing lectures section that you're
seeing most this prosecution for sports and are high marks
is at the expo big unauthorized access to protect its computer whether city for
a particular is that they would like a chip accommodated that it doesn't define
anywhere what unauthorized access
is mean
and so you've got the courts all over the country you have different
definitions of it you know some people like oh just violating the terms of
service of uh... you know website mean that operate factors which have been
extremely dangers interpretation uh... becomes several ben everyone's really
committing a felony everyday uh...
become like the to pool of the d_l_j_ for her because it's a malleable and i
think so
so broad and and and and uh... vague
form you know
prosecuting anybody you can't really done anything that they because remotely
wrong with the computer
uh... and i think he needs to be amended lenders serbia fats is working on that a
number of people are trying to
depict statute under control
it's it's very hard i've been reading them somebody yes at this time it
and especially i i mean today is the seven year anniversary of twitter being
uh... launched and i i found it interesting how they named off all these
big names in tack
and it just innovation entrepreneurs who could have been and would have been
probably tried under this
this act if they were doing this today i mean steve jobs bill gates marks on
their word twitter founder jack dorsey just recently was talking about he got
his start packing again packing is not necessarily uh... a bad time that you
could hack for good hack for bad you just have to any product to hack a
product to our own like
but how you could have done an xbox three sixty you purchased it to do
something that he so that maybe it was not of regionally uh... meant to do in
the operating system but you have it you know playing files from your computer or
something it's just amazing to me how they are they're trying to just turn
the term hacking into this amazingly negative i mean the press and
people in general always had decided negative connotation of hacking
overseeing and she's missing years is just this complete lack
i can't even explain what they're doing with this it's just they're just
grabbing anybody who has any knowledge or saudi and computers and technology
and they're trying to just try them under this act it seems like to know
you know you are set up a quarter attackers with a new communist would be
able to have to get a lot of them
a russian orient tear up their because people going on the stand
you you know what's going on in in the computer world
you know this was a big disconnect all fit like a company like computers secure
researcher union people like
your good data mining for the financial services industry freaking out about
these prosecutions um... because uh... they just continue to be just normal
uh...
muna computer behavior and so
well you know this is the disconnection people don't understand about the
computers the computer world working writing these walls
and the people who actually workin uh... you know the computer world uh...
you don't think he's prosecution to inflame
we were right
soaking in the office the other day about how
uh... you know we we remembered there was a time when you know if you could be
would they would find a hacker like that and i like this at all and actual hacker
who actually no founders a flaw in a security system and broke in
within the manage our access this email
back-end management system and how they would find these people and they would
you know
use their savvy ness in their intelligence to know if you cut a deal
and use them like what what what happens if we happen to something like that
where they were deal kind reasonable deal with these people it would be just
fill up all their their
hacker job slots are now understand wide area per now going full force on these
people now when they use their you know
at the very least offer them some sort of uh... reasonable deal
periodic trying to do directors
i mean to his brother in their pets are all there are currently really
really good covered up but the governor aren't
and i do you know and i i i think you know what you have a lot of people too
much of the jobs bill gates and you know our it you know it's more color great
computer if you know there's big big big cuba's belt because it's part of the
process with a warning
uh... you know about computers and to the stand and what not i think it's a
very fundamental to their ability to innovate and i think it is prosecution
to be around uh... you know in the seventies he wouldn't have apple
computer you wouldn't have microsoft in you would have had a few notes recovered
g_d_p_
uh... wouldn't
exit selecting thurs
economic
in uh... what's going on the prosecution's but i think is bad for the
country
that the reading about about all this happens not to me to is and i thought
was weird i just
hypocritical against just completely unbelievable dot com
just just the end of last year the supreme court i declined to uh... review
a lower lower court ruling
in a case that challenged a bush are a lot
which is that the fis amendments act
which had basically retroactively i gave telecommunications firms like you have a
rise in an eighteen t
that they give them a legal immunity after performing buyers are warrantless
wiretapping
how can you
say that eighteen t has the ability to just matt
respect their customers privacy
when an individual camp publicly at access information that eighteen c is
using i mean a_t_t_ is made available because they don't
prospective customers privacy
melanoma critic a quick question you know and we'll look into utility thirty
minute uh...
but got that uh... you know a grant of immunity for her warrantless
wiretapping on u_s_ citizens that served up six
st louis disturbing
i decided really wanna try to drive home the point it's it's a list to listeners
that i am regardless of what you think about you know someone like
michael weaver matthew keys were there you know they're internet histories or
whatever
that these two things going on here i think it's important drive home number
one is that
none of these cases are or are hacking cases edges not hackers
and and that's what they're basically being tried for two full extent of the
lock
and the number two
is that these these laws are so
soldier calling in number goes whether you think
uh... any hacker is guilty or not guilty in their case the the
the sentences they're being dealt do not fit the crime is that they're being at
accused of
and that's why i try i think those are the two important points are dr homes
people 'cause i see you know a lot of people talking about that these two
cases to the most recent packers in general ueno of a date dared
deserve to be punished or what not
and i think it's important that uh... you know a separate people actually do
hacking from people who just discover this just like you or me could
discovered like what
what we've been his not what his partner sorry forgot his name
did basically of yet that big
anyone of us could come across that is the public instead
you are well
and with matthew cheeses case i mean that's that's not packing case
and in terms of him and seen just so much you know and we still
just so much else uh... negativity to their character amin you can think what
you want i think it's important that important to drive home that that
warranties are hacking cases but that that's what they're being perceived as
and number two that whatever you think they're punishment should be what
they're being charge which is not at the conference
and i i try to think i agree
i think they have but one thing i would add to that of the people of so broad
and a and uh... uh...
they potemkin compass
uh... you know to get your behavior burned by a required contributor by
around that time of the marking the gideon
everyday and the government
historically always go back to leon parker defend its first
you know but people should be concerned
about this topic prosecutions people also broadcast of a invites
arbitrary prosecution by the government
unexpected
lets kids this summer and especially in the we've case to me because i mean if
viewer i came across this this information they came across i mean
maybe we wouldn't have decided to pull the information when they did
but we people should know about this that eighteen t and other companies that
you're paying money to and your customers are are or
anyone customers aren't
just care so little about your personal
information in your privacy that they're willing to save a buck to just leave
this information out there
took part or the clone
that's when i also i continue here from the outside
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