because it means everything to you.
>> INDIVIDUAL CROP HE DID SO
MUCH DAMAGE THE AMERICAN POLICE
PROFESSION I WOULD ARGUE BEING A
COP TODAY IN AMERICA IS TOUGHER
THAN PROBABLY ANY OTHER TIME
GOING BACK TO THE EARLY ’70s.
BRIAN: WHAT DO YOU THINK WITH
THAT STATEMENT?
CERTAINLY STRUCK HOME WITH US.
FORMER POLICE COMMISSIONER BILL
BRATTON L.A. AND NEW YORK
ISSUING A POWERFUL REBUKE OF THE
ANTICRIME ENFORCEMENT SENTIMENTS
IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW.
THIS COMES AS POLICE DEPARTMENTS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY DEAL WITH THE
SURGEON IN CRIME AND COPS ARE
JUST LEAVING IN DROVES.
THE LONGEST SERVING COMMISSIONER
IN NYPD’S HISTORY.
I WOULD SAY THE GREATEST AGREES
THAT THE STATE OF POLICING IS IN
REAL BAD SHAPE BUT HOW BAD?
RAY KELLY JOINS US FORMER NYPD
COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER, YOU HEARD BILL
BRATTON.
YOU KNOW HIM.
DID HE OVERSTATE DEREK CHAUVIN’S
IMPACT ON YOUR PROFESSION?
>> NO, I DON’T THINK HE
OVERSTATED IT.
I THINK THE IMPACT HAS BEEN
TREMENDOUS TRAUMA ON THE
POLICING PROFESSION.
YOU CERTAINLY HAVEN’T GOTTEN
OVER IT.
AND I DON’T KNOW WHEN WE WILL IF
WE EVER DO.
IT CHANGED THE PUBLIC’S VIEW OF
POLICING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID AH HA
SUSPICIONS CONFIRMED.
THIS IS HOW COPS HANDLE
PRISONERS WHEN NO ONE IS AROUND.
IT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT MOMENT
IN THE HISTORY OF POLICING IN
THIS COUNTRY.
WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF THE
GEORGE FLOYD IN POLICING ACT IN
WASHINGTON.
IT MAKES MAJOR CHANGES TO
POLICING.
IT’S ALREADY BEEN PASSED IN THE
HOUSE AND THE SENATE IS
NEGOTIATING NOW.
AND ONE OF THE BIG PROVISIONS IS
ELIMINATION OF QUALIFIED
IMMUNITY.
THAT IS A DEFENSE FOR COPS TO
USE IN FEDERAL COURT.
NOW I KNOW THE UNION, CERTAINLY
THE NATIONAL POLICE
ORGANIZATIONS HAVE REALLY DIGGED
THEIR HEELS IN AND SAID THIS
CANNOT HAPPEN.
WE’LL SEE HOW MUCH CAUSE THAT
HAS IN THE SENATE AND WHAT
ULTIMATELY COMES OUT.
IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT MOMENT
FOR AMERICA THE GEORGE FLOYD
KILLING.
>>
BRIAN: DEFUNDING WILL MOVE IS
HAPPENING ALL ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
THE RESPONSE IS, COMMISSIONER, A
LOT OF COPS ARE TURNING IN THE
BADGE.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THIS LIKE
WE’RE SEEING NOW?
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN IT AT THIS
POINT?
THIS REMINDS YOU OF THE 70S AND
80’S?
>> I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING
LIKE THIS.
THEY HAVE OVER 5,000 NEW YORK
CITY POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAVE
RETIRED OR PUT THEIR PAPERS IN
AS THEY CALL IT, TO RETIRE IN
THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.
AND THIS IS A NATIONAL
PHENOMENON.
AND, OF COURSE, IT REALLY
IMPACTS ON RECRUITING.
DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE
COUNTRY CAN’T RECRUIT, CERTAINLY
QUALIFIED PEOPLE.
THEY MAY GET SOME INDIVIDUALS
WHO WANT TO BECOME POLICE
OFFICERS, THE QUESTION IS WHAT
IS THE QUALITY OF THOSE FOLKS
THAT THEY ARE HIRING?
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE
THIS.
COPS FEEL THAT THEY’RE UNDER
SIEGE, COPS FEEL THAT THEY GET
NO SUPPORT.
I TALK TO A LOT OF THEM.
THEY ARE BACKING OFF FROM DOING
SORT OF THE POLICE TYPE WORK
THAT THEY DID.
IT BUT NOW THEIR CAREERS, THEIR
JOBS, THEIR FAMILY’S WELL BEING
IS AT RISK AND THEY ARE MAKING
THE DECISION NOT TO ENGAGE.
AND THAT, OF COURSE, ULTIMATELY
HURTS ALL OF US.
BRIAN: POLICE PRECINCTS HAVE
BEEN GIVING UP IN CEILINGS AND
MINNESOTA BECAUSE THE PEOPLE
OUTSIDE WERE PROTESTING SOME OF
THE WORST DECISIONS BY MAYORS
AND OTHERS YOU HAVE CAN IMAGINE.
SHOWS A VULNERABILITY.
THEN WE ARE SEEING THIS VIDEO
FROM OVER THE WEEKEND IN CHICAGO
WHERE 50 WERE SHOT THE OTHER DAY
AND THEY’RE JUMPING ON THE COP
CAR WHILE IT ROLLS THROUGH THE
STREET TWERKING AND DOING THIS
DANCING.
I CAN’T IMAGINE EVEN WALKING UP
TO A COP CAR AND SAYING
SOMETHING ACCUSATORY LET ALONE
DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO SEEING
THIS?
>> JUST IMAGINE IF THOSE COPS
DID SOMETHING AGAINST THOSE
WOMEN OFF THE CAR, THAT WOULD
HAVE BEEN A MUCH BIGGER STORY.
IT’S INCREDIBLE.
COPS GET NO RESPECT ANYMORE.
THAT WAS SHOCKING TO ME AND I
HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.
WE SEE THESE INCIDENTS WITH
PEOPLE POURING WATER ON COPS.
THERE IS SIMPLY NO RESPECT. SO THEY SEE THE WORLD AS BEING
SO THEY SEE THE WORLD AS BEING
PRETTY MUCH AGAINST THEM THEY
ARE NOT GETTING SUPPORT FROM
MANAGEMENT AND POLITICIANS BEING
DISRESPECTED AND DEMONIZED AND
EVERY DAY THROUGH THE MASS
MEDIA.
IT’S A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TIME
TO BE A POLICE OFFICER AND MAKES
YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THE
RETIREMENT NUMBERS ARE AS HIGH
AS THEY ARE.
BRIAN: YOU DON’T DO IT TO GET
RICH.
ERIC ADAMS IS NOW LEADING THE
RACE IN NEW YORK BECAUSE 46% OF
THE PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE VOTING
BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO GETS THIS
JOB WILL BE GOOD ATTACK LING
CRIME.
ERIC ADAMS HAS A LAW ENFORCEMENT
BACKGROUND.
YOU ARE NOT A FAN, WHY?
>> I’M NOT CERTAIN HE HAS THE GRAVITAS FOR A BIG, BIG JOB
GRAVITAS FOR A BIG, BIG JOB
WHERE YOU HAVE 350,000 EMPLOYEES
NOW HE SAYS IS HE GOING TO BE A
CRIME FIGHTER.
THAT WAS NEVER THE POSITION THAT
HE TOOK DURING THE DIME IN THE
NYPD.
AND DURING YOUR TIME IN THE
STATE SENATE.
IF HE WINS WE WILL HAVE TO SEE.
WE HOPE HE IS A MAN OF HIS WORD.
BRIAN: RIGHT THAT HE IS GOING TO
CRACK DOWN ON CRIME BUT FROM HIS
TRACK RECORD YOU DON’T FEEL THAT
WAY?
>> I DON’T THINK HE HAS SHOWN IT
SO FAR.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN CHANGE.
PEOPLE WITH GROW INTO A JOB
WE’LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS
IF, IN FACT, HE GETS ELECTED.
VERY CONFUSING SITUATION A FORCE
CHOICES SO TO SPEAK.
THERE ARE 8 CANDIDATES YOU
ACTUALLY RANCH FIVE OF THOSE 8
CANDIDATES AND THE FIRST TIME
IT’S EVER BEEN DONE IN NEW YORK
CITY IT’S JUST A LOT OF
CONFUSION OVER IT.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHEN THE
SMOKE SETTLES.
I DON’T THINK WE WILL KNOW WHO
THE WINNER IS FOR PROBABLY AT
LEAST A WEEK OR MORE AFTER
ELECTION DAY.
BRIAN: HARD TO IMAGINE WE ARE
WORSE OFF THAN WITH MAYOR de
BLASIO OVER THE LAST 8 YEARS.
HE HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY AWFUL.
>> AGREED.
BRIAN: I DON’T THINK YOU WILL
ARGUE WITH ME ON THAT.
>> I WON’T ARGUE.
BRIAN: I WISH YOU HAD RUN BUT I
GUESS YOU ARE SMART NOT TO.
COMMISSIONER, THANKS SO MUCH.