>> Announcer: Live from Boston, Massachusetts,
it's the CUBE covering OpenStack Summit 2017.
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and additional ecosystem support.
>> Welcome back, I'm Stu Miniman.
And if I'm sitting on this side of the table
with the long hallways behind me, it means we're here
for the wrap of the second day.
John Troyer's here, day two of three days,
theCUBE here at OpenStack Summit.
John, I feel like you're building energy
as the show goes on, kind of like the show itself.
>> Yeah, yeah, getting my footing here.
Again, my first summit.
It was a good second day, Stu, I think we made it through.
We had some fascinating stuff.
>> Yeah, fascinating stuff.
Before we jump into some of the analysis here, I do want
to say you know, first and foremost, big thanks
to the foundation.
Foundations themselves tend to get, they get beat up some,
they get loved some, without the OpenStack Foundation,
we would not be here.
Their support for a number of years, our fifth year here
at the show, as well as the ecosystem here,
really interesting and diverse and ever-changing ecosystem,
and that fits into our sponsors too.
So Red Hat's our headline sponsor here.
We had Red Hat Summit last week and two weeks,
lots of Red Haters, and now lots of Stackers here.
Additional support brought to us by Cisco, by Netronome,
and by Canonical.
By the way, no secret, we try to be transparent as
to how we make our money.
If it's a sponsored segment, it lists "sponsored by"
that guest here, and otherwise it is editorial.
Day three actually has a lot of editorial,
it means we have a lot of endusers on the program.
We do have vendors, cool startups, interesting people,
people like Brian Stevens from Google.
When I can get access to them, love to have it here.
So big shout out as always.
Content, we put it out there, the community, try to have it.
Back to the wrap.
John, you know we've kind of looked at some
of the pieces here, the maturity, you know where it fits
in the hybrid and multi cloud world.
What jumped out at you as you've been chewing on day two?
>> Well, my favorite thing from today, and we talked
about it a couple times just in passing it keep coming up,
is OpenStack on the edge.
So the concept of, that the economics works today,
that you can have a device, a box, maybe it's
in your closet somewhere, maybe it's bolted to a lamppost
or something, but in the old days it would have run
on some sort of proprietary chip, maybe an embedded Linux.
You can put a whole OpenStack distribution on there,
and when you do that, it becomes controllable,
it becomes a service layer, you can upgrade it,
you can launch more services from there,
all from a central location.
That kind of blew my mind.
So that's my favorite thing from today.
I finally got my arms around that I think.
>> Okay, great, and we saw Beth Cohen from Verizon was
in the day one keynote.
We're actually going to have her
on our program for the third day.
And right, teasing out that edge, most of it,
telecommunications is a big discussion point here.
I understand why.
Telcos spend a lot of money, they are at large scale,
and that NFV use case has driven a lot of adoption.
So Deutsche Telekom is a headline sponsor
of the OpenStack Foundation, did a big keynote this morning.
AT&T's up on the main stage, Verizon's up on the main stage,
you know Red Hat and Canonical all talk
about their customers that are using it.
You know, we just talked
to Netronome about telecommunications.
Everybody here, if you're doing OpenStack,
you probably have a telco place
because that's where the early money is and it tends to be,
there's the network edge, then there's the IoT edge,
and some of the devices there.
So it was was one of the buzzy things going in
and definitely is one of the big takeaways
from the show so far.
>> Well, Stu, I also think it's a major prove point
for OpenStack, right.
Bandwidth needs are not going down, that's pretty clear,
with all the things you mentioned.
Throughput is going to have to go up, services are going
to have to be more powerful,
and so all these different connected devices
and qualities of service and streaming video to your car.
So if OpenStack can build a back plan, a data plan
for OpenStack that can do that,
which it looks like they are doing, right,
that's a huge prove point downstream from the needs
of a telco, so I think that's super important for OpenStack
that it's usable enough and robust enough to do that
and that's one of the reasons
I think it gets talked about so much.
The nice thing is this year compared to my comparisons
of previous years of OpenStack Summit,
telco is not the only game in town, right.
Enterprise also got a lot of play and there's a lot
of use cases there too.
>> And just to close out on that edge piece,
really enjoyed the conversation we had with John and Kendall
who had worked on the container space.
Talking about the maturation of where Cinder had gone,
how we went from virtualized environments
to containerized environments.
And even we teased out a little bit that edge use case.
I can have a really small OpenStack deployment
to put it at that edge.
Maybe that's where some of the serverless stuff fits in.
I know I've been, I tell my team, every time
I get a good quote on serverless, let's make a gem
out of that, put it out there, 'cause it's early days,
but that is one of those deployments where I need
at the edge environments, I need something lightweight,
I need something that's going to be less expensive,
can do some task processing, and both containers
and potentially serverless can be interesting there.
>> Yeah, I mean, even in our Canonical discussion
with the product manager for their OpenStack distribution,
right, containers are all over that, right,
containers are just a way of packaging,
there are some really interesting development pipelines
that are now very popular and being talked about
and built on in the container space.
But containerization actually can come
into play multiple points in the stack.
Like you said, the Canonical distribution gets containerized
and pushed out, it's a great way of compartmentalizing
and upgrading, that's what the demo
on stage today was about.
Also, just with a couple of very short scripts,
containerizing and pulling down components.
So I think again, my second favorite thing
after the edge today was just showing
that actually containers and OpenStack mix pretty well.
They're really not two separate things.
>> Right, and I think containerization is one of those things
that enables that multi cloud world.
We talked in a number of segments today, everything
from Kubernetes with Brian Stevens as to how
that enables that.
Reminds me at Red Hat Summit last week
we talked a lot about OpenShift.
OpenShift's that layer on top of OpenStack and sits
at that application level layer to allow be to be able
to span between public or private clouds and we need
that kind of you know that to be able
to enable some real multi or hybrid cloud environments.
>> Yeah I mean, containers and in fact
that Kubernetes layer may end up being the thing
that drives more OpenStack adoption.
>> Yeah, and the other thing that's been interesting,
just hallway conversations, bumping into people we know,
you know trying to walk around the show a little bit,
as to people that are finally getting their arms around,
okay, OpenStack from a technology standpoint has matured
and you know they either need it to clean up
what was their internal cloud
or building something out, so real deployments.
We talked about it yesterday in the close though.
They're real customers doing real deployments.
It's heartening to hear.
>> Yeah I mean, one of those conversations, I ran
into somebody at a hyperscale company, a friend of mine,
and you know they are building out,
internal OpenStack clouds to use for real stuff, right.
>> But wait, hyperscale, come on, John, we can give away.
Is this something we have on our phone
or something we, I'll buy and use?
>> One of those big folks.
>> There's a large Chinese company that anybody in tech knows
that's supposed to be doing a lot with OpenStack.
We heard definitely Asia, very broad use of OpenStack.
Been a theme of the whole show, right, is
that outside the US where we tend to talk a lot
about the public cloud, OpenStack's being used.
An undertone I've heard is certain companies that start
here in the United States, it's sometimes challenging
for a foreign company to say I'm going to buy and use that,
absolutely that is a headwind
against a company like Amazon.
Ties back to we had a keynote this morning
with Edward Snowden and some of those things.
What is the relationship between government
and global companies that have a headquarters
in the US and beyond.
>> Yeah I think it's too soon to say where the pendulum,
how the far the pendulum is going to swing.
I'll be very interested in the commentary for next year
to see have we moved away from more
of the centralized services dominating
the entire marketplace and workload into more distributed,
more private, more customizable.
For all those reasons, there's a lot of dynamics
that might be pushing the pendulum in that direction.
>> And one of the things I've liked hearing
is infrastructure needs to be more agile,
it needs to be more distributed, more modularized,
especially as the applications are changing.
So I feel like more than previous summits I've been at,
we're at least talking about how those things fit together.
With everything that's happening with the OpenStack Days,
the Kubernetes, Cloud Foundry, Ceph,
other open source projects, how those all fit together.
It feels like a more robust, full position as opposed
to , we were just building a software version
of what we were doing in the data center before.
>> My impression was the conversation at times
had been a little more internally focused, right,
it's a world unto its own.
Here at this summit, they're definitely acknowledging
there's an ecosystem, there's a landscape,
it all has to interoperate.
Usability's a part of that, and then interoperability
and componentization is a part of that as well.
>> The changing world of applications.
We understand the whole reason we have infrastructure is
to run those applications, so if we're not getting ready
for that, what are we doing?
>> I don't want to put words in their mouth,
but I think the OpenStack community as a whole, one
of their goals, you know, OpenStack needs to be as easy
to run as a public cloud.
The infrastructure needs to be boring.
We heard the word boring a lot actually today.
>> Yeah and what we say is, first of all, the public cloud
is the bar that you were measured against.
Whether it is easier or cheaper, your mileage may vary,
because public cloud was supposed to be simple.
They're adding like a thousand new features every year,
and it seems to get more complicated over time.
It's wonderful if we could architect everything
and make it simple.
Unfortunately, you know, that's why we have technology.
I know every time I go home and have some interaction
with a financial institution or a healthcare institution,
boy, you wish we could make everything simpler,
but the world's a complicated place and
that's why we need really smart people like we've gotten
to interview here at the show.
So any final comments, John?
>> No, I think that sums it up.
Those are my favorite things for today.
I'm looking forward to talking
to a lot of customers tomorrow.
>> Yeah, I'm really excited about that.
John, appreciate your help here.
So there's a big party here at the show.
They're taking everyone to Fenway Park
for the Stacker party.
Last year it was an epic party in Austin.
Boston's fun, Fenway's a great venue.
Looks like the rain's going to hold off, which is good,
but it'll be a little chillier than normal,
but we will be back here with a third day of programming
as John and I talked about.
Got a lot of users on the program.
Really great lineup, two days in the bag.
Check out all the videos, go to SiliconANGLE.tv
to check it all out.
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