I will begin now, beginning with you, Jake.
There's a lot out there when it comes to the story of Jan Broberg.
I just wondered, what was your main point of reference on this occasion?
Was it the script? Was it the documentaries?
Or how did you kind of help craft your your performance in this show?
You know, for me, it's certainly the scripts. I
did a fair amount of research
going into this
about, you know, what we knew of Robert Berchtold on his life.
And and really just the some, you know, factual elements
to understand the timeline and where he would have been coming from.
Logistically and then some
you know, reading Lolita and things like that to kind of
tap into that world in some way.
And then ultimately but
just having that kind of running in the background
and trying to fulfill that, the scripts that that we got for the nine episodes
and that seemed
a fair way to go about it because
Jan and Mary Ann had given Nick and the writers
a like a treasure trove of material and documents and information.
And they poured through that and had,
you know, a mormon writer on staff, a former
member of the church and a mormon consultant in the writers room.
And so they were working from a very factual place as well.
And so then I felt like to
just fulfill the story within the script was
a true and nuanced way to go about this.
Yeah.
And Lio, I mean, one of the ironies, when I first watched the documentary as well,
I was so fascinated by by the character of Gail, who we didn't
get to know too much about, because when the story is told, sometimes
has, is it because it's kind of Robert's crime,
the proposal of this kind of victim, and she's caught between the two.
But I think this series does her story so much justice.
Was that something you were really pleased to explore
and how important was it that Gail had her story told in this way?
For anyone who has been the victim of an
emotionally verbally abusive relationship or
groomed.
I think that Gail's story is very important
because we kind of
see the bad doing
and then rope everything into that without feeling a lot of
scoping out if there's any empathy
there.
And I think Gail and I hope
bring some empathy
into the situation and some other
shade of of it.
And, Jake, I always imagine you sort of, you know, people play villains
in a kind of more of a traditional kind of marvel sense.
Whenever you ask someone about playing villains, this idea
that playing evil can be kind of fun.
Is this delving into the realm of villainy can almost become caricature
and allow actors this space to really ham it up to some degree.
But you're playing a man who was
pretending constantly to be a normal, nice guy.
Does that make it quite hard and challenging to get that same sense of
evil, to have it be so contained as it is in this in this series?
You know, I would, you know, again, like a pivot
back to the quality of these scripts that that
the thing to me that is so
maybe not unique but certainly engaging and
uncomfortable with birds told as his ability
to flip on warmth and then flip it right back off.
And finding places
within the story that he's pivoting
90 degrees, 180 degrees
from one thing to the next, in a way that
those of us with empathy and compassion
and generosity don't do that.
That itself is a communication of
evil intentions.
And that that was, to me, more than the way
to communicate his aggression and duplicity
than, I don't know,
a crazy look or, you know, something like that.
But there's more within the writing.
And also the very simple, like
if somebody looks at you for too long, it's uncomfortable.
And the kind of person who could look at someone
and not break eye contact you, you're like, that's a sociopath.
You know, it's if there's very simple ways to communicate physically
with a camera that this
person is not on the same wavelength as you and I.
And and that felt like a truer way.
And then
then playing the villain, you know?
Yeah. Before you both did wonderful jobs.
It's a fantastic, really great performance.
Thank you so much. Best of luck with the release of the series.
Thank you so much. Thanks for the time.