Body parts were found all over Long Island.
They had four suspects.
They let them go, and now they're out there still.
So what? What is the deal here?
Right? It sounds insane to me.
Sounds insane to me. To New York.
Governor Kathy Hochul was grilled about crime during her appearance on The View,
and I loved seeing it, especially when she was asked to defend
her intensely stupid idea of deploying hundreds of National Guard troops into
the subway system to keep people safe.
Now, Hochul announced that she would be deploying 750 members of the National
Guard and 250 state troopers to and police officers in order to basically do random
bag checks of people riding the subway.
It's unsustainable, it's expensive, and it did nothing to keep New Yorkers safe.
In fact, there was a shooting in the subway system just last week
after she had already deployed the National Guard troops.
Now, with that in mind, a beer weighs in with an interesting point
that we'll get back to in just a second, mostly about certain tweaks that need
to be made on the criminal justice reform that's been passed in New York, but more
importantly, what those flaws have led to.
So with that in mind, let's watch some more of their conversation.
You deployed hundreds of state police and National Guard troops into
the subway system, but since the pandemic, you have done a wonderful job.
Overall, crime is down in the city. Yes it is.
So my question to you is why now? Why deploy into the subway?
And how do you respond to some of your fellow Democrats
calling the move theatrics that play into Republican narratives
that blue cities are poorly run war zones?
I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it.
My job is to keep people safe.
I have to keep any way I can. I'm going to keep New Yorkers safe.
And I'll tell you who does show appreciation
for the people out there on the streets.
I've been walking the streets. I walk into business.
People are just saying thank you for taking such strong action.
Now the subways have been safer, but we had a spike recently.
Yes, a 45% increase in subway crimes. Now, these are high profile crimes.
I interrupt you for.
A second because the CEO of the MTA says that 1% of subway suspects are responsible
for more than 20% of the crime because of New York's bail reform laws,
which allows them to go back out there and commit more crimes.
Joy Behar is 1,000% right.
And rather than tweaking the bail reform in order to do something about
a tiny group of people that's causing all this chaos on the subway system,
Kathy Hochul has decided to instead basically use up all these resources
to do something that's ineffective and makes people uncomfortable, which was
the deployment of National Guard troops.
And just to give you some more information on what Baker was referencing there,
MTA CEO John Lieber said 38 people were arrested for crimes against transit
employees last year, and those suspects had over 600 prior arrests.
Citing NYPD data, Lieber said 1% of subway suspects were responsible
for well over 20% of the crime.
There's also been some studies that have more data about this.
For instance, the elimination of money bail, increased recidivism for people
charged with nonviolent felonies, with recent criminal history
and with a recent violent felony arrest.
And while it decreased recidivism for people charged with misdemeanors and
people with no recent criminal history.
So there was a noted difference in how bail reform worked
when it comes to recidivism.
And by the way, this is a study that was done by John Jay College,
their data collaborative for justice.
And keep in mind, this is not some right wing organization.
These are the very people who have been pushing for criminal justice reform.
And so they're studying what the impact of bail reform in New York has been.
And they found that it has increased recidivism for certain people.
The reduced use of bail for legally eligible cases
tended to increase recidivism among people charged with violent felonies.
And people with a recent arrest.
The starkest and most consistent recidivism increases across both
research designs were among people with a recent prior violent felony arrest
and among people currently charged with violent felonies
who had a recent criminal history.
And so the same study, by the way, found that 67% of defendants
who had a recent prior felony arrest in the past year and then were released
with no cash bail, were rearrested within two years of their arraignment.
Almost half, 49% were rearrested for a felony.
And I should note again that this is data that's been collected by a group of people
who absolutely love the bail reform and love the criminal justice reform.
It's just that they're doing their due diligence in keeping track of how.
It's actually played out for New Yorkers.
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So there's three, I think easy fixes here.
But it's so frustrating how slow, our and irrational our politics
and our government is.
Okay, so number one, in New York
and this needs to be fixed immediately.
And this is not about any reform that happened recently.
They the judges cannot take the violence of the crime into account.
They can only take into account whether the person is going to flee or not.
But that makes no sense.
So. Okay, well, I don't think that serial killer is going to flee.
He really likes, you know, Rochester.
Okay, so he's going to stay put, so I'm going to let him go back home.
What?
So in New York law, there's a to be fair serial killer is probably is an
exception actually, because there's only a couple of super extreme crimes
where they could take that into account.
But other than that, you commit a very violent crime and the judge is not allowed
to consider it when he's looking at whether to give you bail or not.
Can I give you an example?
Actually, it's an extreme example that Joy Behar confronted Governor Hochul about,
and it's in this next clip.
Let's watch that real quick and I'll fill in the blanks.
The CEO of the MTA says that 1% of subway suspects are responsible for more than 20%
of the crime because of New York's bail reform laws, which allows them to go
back out there and commit more crimes.
But there was just a crime in Long Island, where body parts were found
all over Long Island.
They had four suspects.
They let them go, and now they're out there still.
So what? What is the deal here?
Right?
- It sounds insane to. - Me, though.
The crime that was brought was not.
What was bail eligible? Yes.
Murder is. Yes.
Conspiracy to commit murder is. Yes.
Assault is bail eligible. All those are.
I know the Da is working really hard with the Suffolk County Police Department
to build the case.
They need to build bring the charges that are necessary.
The charges he brought, he did not have enough evidence at time to hold.
- He can't hold them. - Not on the charges he brought.
But those are low level charges. They really weren't.
We can work to make those bail eligible in the next session.
Dismembering a corpse and hiding a corpse after dismembering it.
Not Bella, not bail eligible. It's not a serious crime.
I'm not even kidding, guys.
Like when Joy Behar outlined that case, I was like, she's crazy.
This isn't a thing. This isn't real.
This isn't real. So I looked it up.
It's real, guys. It's real.
Listen, if being on the left means supporting this, then I'm not on the left,
and I'm okay with that.
So let me give you the details of the case.
- It doesn't mean that. - Okay, I don't know.
- Let me give. - You the details on the left.
We're all on the left.
We don't want people dismembering folks getting released.
- Only a couple of lunatics. - Some do, some do.
I know I was going to.
What I was in the middle of saying is only a couple of lunatic activists
are like, yeah, we're pro dismemberment guys being let go.
Okay, whatever.
You don't represent the left at all dismembered bodies.
It's so unfair to put them in prison.
Okay, let me give you the details of the actual case.
Okay.
So four people were arrested in New York after body parts were found in Long
Island, okay, dismembered body parts.
The victims were, you know, two people from Yonkers, older individuals.
Suffolk County police say 44 year old Stephen Brown, 38 year old Jeffrey Mackey,
40 year old Amanda Wallace and 33 year old Alexis Neves or Neves
were charged with concealment of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence
and hindering prosecution.
They have not been charged with murder, prosecutors told a judge.
There was so much blood in the pipes, in pipes, sink, shower and toilet
of the Railroad Avenue home in Amityville, where the suspects were arrested, that it
was deemed uninhabitable, police said.
They confiscated meat cleavers, butcher knives, flesh and body parts.
Attorneys for Brown and Mackey admitted, admitted that their clients lived
in that home where the body parts and all that blood was found,
but denied chopping up. 59 year old the 59 year old woman and 53 year old man
whose last known address was in Yonkers.
Wallace also lived with Brown and Mackey in Amityville.
Police said that knives is homeless. Okay.
All four pleaded not guilty. The judge released them without bail.
They were fitted with GPS monitoring and must report in person for in-person
probation and surrender their passports.
- I. I don't care about their. - Passports, dude.
Guys, guys like what?
Okay, so did further research because I just couldn't believe it.
Here's Moore with 2019 state reforms, mutilation and disposal
of murdered corpses are among crimes that are no longer bail eligible.
The Da said the four went to barbaric lengths to cover the crime.
What are we doing? What are we doing?
What are we doing, Jake?
What are we doing? What are we doing?
Someone tell me. What the f are we doing?
Yeah. Look, no one signed up for this.
I don't know how the hell any of these laws passed.
I went to every progressive conference there was over the last 20 years.
I never heard a single person saying, why don't we let the actual criminals go,
hey, if someone butchers someone and chops them up into little pieces, let's do
the kind of criminal justice reform where they would be able to walk out free.
Yeah, come at me.
Come at me right now and tell me I'm the bad guy.
Because I want these people who dismembered corpses and tried
to conceal the evidence in prison.
Come at me and tell me I'm the bad guy. Come at me.
- I don't look, I don't look, guy's insane. - You guys are insane.
Anyone who thinks this is okay is insane.
And everyone else in New York has to suffer the consequences of this.
With random bag checks at the subway by National Guard troops.
At a time when we have the right wing which has lost its mind,
you are taking good people that would normally be on the left and drive them
to and driving them to the right wing.
Damn this madness and no one agreed to it.
I don't mean the voters, I mean on the left.
When did we have a vote?
When did we decide in a primary or a ballot measure
that we should do any of this?
I never once heard it at any progressive get together, any progressive.
No one has ever proposed this.
All of a sudden, in 2019, these activists popped up in all these cities
and they're like, okay, no one like, how did they succeed?
- I want to know. - They got massive funding.
So how where the hell did the money come from?
The left doesn't have money for anything, and all of a sudden it had infinite money
to to finance lunatic activists who are saying, oh, let all the criminals go.
Are you insane?
So look, guys, let's get back to what's happening in New York
and explain to you what's rational and what is a left wing perspective
as opposed to the lunatic perspective.
Okay, so in terms of, the laws in New York about being able to consider
violence or not in terms of bail, that has been around for a long time.
But in 2019, as you probably saw in that graphic, they changed some of the laws.
So they moved more crimes into nonviolent felonies.
But tons of those crimes are actually very, very violent.
And she, Governor Hochul mentioned assault.
No, that's not true.
A lot of forms of assault are now in the nonviolent felony,
category, including domestic assault.
An older okay.
Subway rider. I mean, we did this story of.
I got in trouble for doing the story. People got real upset.
Woman waiting for the train. Okay.
Gets hit on by some person who had been arrested,
like, dozens and dozens of times.
Okay? She ignored his advances.
He went and took a crap in his hand and smeared it on her face.
He was booked and let out immediately. That is a violent assault.
But who cares about the freedom or the safety or the lives of the law
abiding citizens in New York, right?
Who cares about their freedom? Who cares about their safety?
We have to be super concerned and have our bleeding hearts bleed out
on behalf of people who smear crap on the faces of innocent people at the subway.
And so I just told you the domestic assault was taken off the list.
So. If you think that domestic violence, people who commit domestic violence
should be free to leave and do it again.
You are not a left winger and you are not a progressive.
I don't know what you are, but you're definitely not a progressive.
So I don't know where these people came from or what their ideology is,
but it is not left wing or progressive to say, oh, domestic
violence against women, who cares?
Just let them out. Maybe they'll do it again.
Ha ha. Good luck to you.
No, that is not a left wing position. Not even close.
Not within a million miles of close.
Now, by the way, does that mean that you go draconian
and you go to the right wing solutions?
No. Like, for example, the guys that that the people that were alleged
to have chopped up the, those folks, should they get a fair trial?
Of course. Of course they should get a fair trial.
We're not saying. Oh, just assume it.
Get rid of the criminal justice system. Of course not.
And in fact, in terms of cash bail, I think that they're
for nonviolent misdemeanors.
It still makes sense that if you do it once, that you
that you can get out without cash bail.
But if you commit it twice, and there are now some jurisdictions
that are passing these laws good, which they definitely should.
But if you do it twice, then you lose the privilege of being let
out of jail without putting up cash.
So. Because why?
Because recidivists commit the great majority of crimes.
So when they when you let them out of jail without having to put up any cash,
they view it as well.
Literally get out of jail free card and a green light they have.
They've got no breaks in their system, so they go back and commit dozens of crimes.
Let me give you another example.
And so again, not a left wing or progressive perspective to say yes,
they should be allowed to commit dozens of crimes against innocent people,
almost all of whom are working class.
Let's go to graphic. That's not justice.
That's injustice.
- Go to. - Graphic four.
So this was published in 2020.
As I was researching it, I came across this headline, New York City
Subway Thief Thanks Democrats. After his 139th arrest release.
Bail reform. It's lit.
Oh. There's more, there's more. Let me give you more details.
Charles Berry, 56, has been arrested six times from January
through February 17th of 2020.
He's been released each time without having to post bail
under New York's new bail reform law since his alleged offenses were nonviolent,
the New York Daily News reported in the.
By the way, remember, they have reclassified violent crimes,
some violent crimes, as nonviolent crimes.
So, again, dismembering and concealing evidence of a corpse that you've
dismembered, not considered violent enough to, have a judge set a bail so you don't,
you know, leave the prison cell.
But let me continue.
So in the past, Berry, several, served several stints in state prison
and has a lengthy record, including six felonies, 87 misdemeanors,
and 21 missed court hearings, the newspaper reported, citing court records.
All right, let's, let's go to the next one.
- More detail. - Seven.
Okay. Bail reform.
It's lit, Berry yelled to reporters outside the NYPD Transit District one
headquarters in the Columbus Circle station before officers transported him
to Manhattan's central booking.
It's the Democrats.
The Democrats know me and the Republicans fear me.
You can't touch me. I can't be stopped.
Yeah, you're going to turn the entire country into Republicans.
Congratulations, lunatic activists. You must be so proud.
I don't know where the hell you got all that money.
But whoever gave you that money, I don't think they're on our side at all.
If, in fact, it would be a genius move by Republicans to take a bunch
of lunatic activists fund them to no end so they could take away, you know, any
semblance of sanity in our criminal laws so that the entire country can blame
Democrats for this kind of insanity. So, yeah.
So since, you know, New York is unwilling to reform its bail reform laws,
New Yorkers, enjoy your random bag checks by National Guard troops
in the subway system.
If you can't reform this law instantly, then the government doesn't function.
I mean, if a guy who commits 239 crimes is allowed to walk out.
The government doesn't function. It doesn't serve its core purpose.
Protect the citizens.
That's not a left wing thing. It's not a right wing thing.
That's an every person thing.
And if you like anarchy and nonstop criminal criminals running rampant
in the streets and being able to come in almost any crime and walk out,
you're not on the political spectrum.
You just lost your goddamn mind.
And I have no interest in you, so poof, be gone.
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