TELL THE TRUTH OF WHAT WAS
HAPPENING SO IT WOULDN’T
CONTINUE INTO POSSIBLY ANOTHER
FOUR YEARS.
>> DR. BIRX AND DR. FAUCI AND
MANY OTHERS I THINK MADE THE
CALCULATION IT WAS BETTER TO BE
IN THE ROOM AND DOING WHAT THAT
COULD RATHER THAN TAKING THE
ROUTE YOU DID.
YOU WERE ONE OF THE VERY FEW WHO
DID AND I GUESS WHEN YOU LISTEN
TO DR. BIRX, WHAT DO YOU THINK
ABOUT THAT CALCULATION SHE MADE?
>> YOU KNOW, IT WAS VERY
EMOTIONAL FOR ME.
I’LL BE HONEST.
TO WATCH HER IN THAT INTERVIEW.
I CERTAINLY SAW THE THINGS SHE
FACED INTERNALLY.
I SAW HER, SHE FACED VERY
CHALLENGING SITUATIONS.
I SHARED AN OFFICE WITH HER FOR
A WHILE AND I’M THE PERSON THAT
WAS BROUGHT INTO A ROOM SOME
POINT WHEN SHE FIRST STARTED AND
SHE WAS COMING INTO A NO-WIN
SITUATION AND EVEN MORE SO THAN
I THINK SHE EVEN REALIZED
BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS TO
WATCH HER.
THAT SHE WAS NOT TO BE TRUSTED
BECAUSE SHE WAS A MATT POTTINGER
HIRE.
I DON’T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE FOR
THAT DESCRIBED HER CAREER TO HIV
AND I’M FAMILIAR WITH HER WORK
AND A KNOWN FIGURE IN THAT SPACE
AND BROUGHT IN BECAUSE SHE’S A
MEDICAL EXPERT AND HERE I AM AS
A HOMELAND ADVISER YOU’RE ASKING
ME TO SPY ON THIS WOMAN THAT I
EENLI’M
SHARING AN OFFICE WITH WHEN THE
PANDEMIC IS ABOUT TO BE OUT OF
CONTROL, PEOPLE WILL BE HURT AND
THIS IS WHERE THE FOCUS IS?
LIKE, THESE ARE THE DYNAMICS
THAT SHE WAS FACING AND I’M GLAD
TO SEE HER FINALLY BE SOMEWHAT
FREE IN COMING FORWARD AND
SPEAKING CANDIDLY.
DO I WISH SHE WAS HONEST?
I WOULD HAVE HOPED SHE WOULD
HAVE BEEN MORE BLUNT THAT THE
INTERVIEW AND NOT REALLY HER
STYLE.
SHE DOESN’T TALK TO THE MEDIA.
THAT’S NOT WHO SHE IS.
>> I WANT TO QUICKLY SHOW YOU
THIS, HER TALKING ABOUT THE DATA
POLLUTION THAT WAS EVIDENT TO
ALL OF US WATCHING AND GET YOUR
RESPONSE.
>> I SAW THE PRESIDENT
PRESENTING GRAPHS THAT I NEVER
MADE.
SO I KNOW THAT SOMEONE OR
SOMEONE OUT THERE OR SOMEONE
INSIDE WAS CREATING A PARALLEL
SET OF DATA AND GRAPHICS THAT
WERE SHOWN TO THE PRESIDENT.
YOU CAN’T DO THAT.
YOU HAVE TO USE THE ENTIRE --
>> WHO WAS THAT?
>> TO THIS DAY I DON’T KNOW.
I KNOW NOW WATCHING SOME OF THE
TAPES THAT CERTAINLY SCOTT ATLAS
BROUGHT IN PARALLEL DATA
STREAMS.
I DON’T KNOW WHO ELSE WAS PART
OF IT.
>> HOW DOES THAT TRACK?
>> I REMEMBER THAT DAY BECAUSE
DR. BIRX WAS REALLY ANGRY AND
SHE ACTUALLY CON FRONTED ME AND
SAID DO YOU KNOW WHO CREATED
THOSE GRAPHS?
DID YOU WORK ON THAT?
I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW THAT
THERE HAS BEEN AN EFFORT TO
MANIPULATE THE DATA, TO DOWNPLAY
THIS VIRUS, AND SO I CAN ONLY
CONTROL WHAT THE VP, CONTROL
SOMEWHAT WHAT THE VP SLIDE SAID
AND THERE ARE TIMES THAT HE
WOULD HAVE A SLIDE THAT I DIDN’T
KNOW WHERE IT HAD COME AND IT
WAS THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM AND
I OPERATED ON FACTS AND SO I
WOULD LITERALLY RUN DOWN THE
STAIRS IN THE WEST WING TO HER
OFFICE, SHUT THE DOOR AND SAY
DID YOU MAKE THIS?
SHE WOULD BE LIKE, NO.
I THOUGHT YOU MADE IT.
I SAID, NO.
WE WOULD RUN AROUND TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WHO DID.
THIS IS THE CHAOS OF THIS
RESPONSE AND SO IT DOESN’T