DO SO TOMORROW MORNING.
JOINING US TONIGHT CONGRESSMAN,
BOTH WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE
HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND
THE HOUSE FREEDOM CAUCUS.
GENTLEMEN, GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH
US.
WE WITNESSED THE MOST EXTRA
ORDINARY SENATE JUDICIARY
HEARING SENSE THAT OF CLARENCE
THOMAS IN 1991.
I HAVE TO SAY THAT UNLIKE THOSE
MOMENTS, SENATORS STOOD UP FOR
THE PRESIDENT'S NOMINEE, LINDSEY
GRAHAM - CONGRESSMAN, I WILL
START WITH YOU, IF I MAY.
SENATOR GRAHAM.
I AM ALMOST SPEECHLESS BECAUSE I
AM NOT A PERSON WHO IS EASILY
IMPRESSED BY RHETORIC BUT THIS
MAN IMPRESSED.
I SUSPECT, HE REMINDED THE
REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF THE U.S.
SENATE OF THEIR CONSCIENCES.
>> YEAH, LINDSEY AND I HAVE HAD
A LOT OF DISAGREEMENTS BUT I'M
TELLING YOU WHAT - LINDSAY
REACHED DOWN INTO HIS SOUL AND
HE WAS RIGHTEOUS AND HE WAS
RIGHT AND HE WAS DEFENSIVE OF A
PROCESS.
LOU, I WAS HAVING TO HANDLE
FORMER LATE DINNER WITH A FORMER
CZECH REPUBLIC AND HE HAD
HEARINGS AND THINGS THAT WERE
GOING ON HERE AND HE SAID WE
ALWAYS LOOK TO AMERICA AS THAT
LIGHT ON THE HILL.
WE DO NOT ALWAYS AGREE BUT WE
KNEW WERE TRYING TO DO IS WRITE
AND BE FAIR.
WE ARE NOT SEEING THE LIGHT SO
MUCH.
LINDSAY GOT SOME OF THAT LIGHT
IN UP TODAY.
LOU: THE IDEA THAT -
>> GO AHEAD.
LOU: THIS BUSINESS THAT THEY
STARTED WITH, FIRST OF ALL, IF
NOT ALL LIGHT IN THE SENATE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
AFTER WATCHING THIS I CAN'T EVEN
IMAGINE WHAT SENATOR CHUCK
GRASSLEY WAS THINKING ABOUT WHEN
HE HAD THIS WOMAN DOING
FIVE-MINUTE INTERVALS AND FOR
ALL THE WORLD CAME OUT MUCH
HARSHER IN HER LINE OF
QUESTIONING, CONGRESSMAN BIGGS
THAT SHE DID WHEN INTERVIEWING
CHRISTINE FORD.
IT WAS A REMARKABLE THING.
FINALLY, THEY CHANGE THAT BUT
THIS AFTER THE DELAY AS JUDGE
KAVANAUGH SAID TEN DAYS FROM THE
MOMENT HE ASKED TO ACCELERATE
THE HEARING.
IT WAS AN AWFUL SPECTACLE OF
MANAGING THE COMMITTEE.
>> I WAS BEWILDERED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE WHO IS
SAD TRIAL EXPERIENCE CAN SAY YOU
WILL GET FIVE MINUTES TO ASK
QUESTIONS AND TRY TO GO DOWN A
TRAIN OF THOUGHT AND THEN LOSE
IT AFTER ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES -
THE WHOLE SETUP WAS MEANT FOR
FAILURE.
QUITE FRANKLY, ON THE PART OF
POOR REPUBLICAN QUESTIONER.
HOW DO YOU GET TRAIN OF THOUGHT?
I WAS SHOCKED THAT WAS THE
PROCESS THAT THEY DECIDED TO
UNDERTAKE.
IT DID NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME.
IT GOES TO THE SUBPROCESS WHICH
HAS BEEN DISGRACEFUL.
WHAT THE DEMOCRATS DID - LINDSAY
GRAHAM BROUGHT IT OUT PERFECTLY
WHEN HE SAID DIANNE FEINSTEIN
HAD THIS FOR 20 DAYS AND YOU ARE
SITTING THERE, JUDGE KAVANAUGH,
INTERVIEWING YOU AND GUESS WHAT?
SHE IS SETTING YOU UP AT THE
SAME TIME.
DOCTOR FORD HAD A LAWYER THAT
WAS RECOMMENDED BY SENATOR
FEINSTEIN AND YOU LOOK AT THE
WHOLE THING AND WHEN I SEE
SPARTACUS ASKING THE TYPE OF
QUESTIONS HE'S ASKING ON THE
COMMITTEE I AM OUTRAGED THAT
THEY WENT AFTER JUDGE KAVANAUGH
WITHOUT ANY DEGREE OF RESPECT OR
DECORUM.
THIS WAS DESIGNED TO DELAY AND
TO DESTROY THIS MAN'S CHARACTER,
HIS NAME AND ACTUALLY, LINDSEY
GRAHAM WAS RIGHT.
I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE BUT THIS
IS A WAR.
THEY VIEW THIS AS A WAR.
WE VIEW THIS AS A PROCESS.
LOU: THERE IS ANY CONFUSION IN
YOUR CONFERENCE ABOUT WHAT YOU
HAVE DONE BY PERMITTING PAUL
RYAN TO REMAIN A SPEAKER, WHAT
YOU HAVE DONE IN THE SENATE BY
PERMITTING CHUCK GRASSLEY TO
MANAGE THAT LIKE A - I DON'T
KNOW, SOCIETY IT IS, I WOULD
HOPE, BEEN A REVELATORY DAY.
THE TERRIBLE THING IT SEEMS TO
ME AND ALL OF THIS IS THE FAMILY
OF JUDGE KAVANAUGH, ALONG WITH
THE JUDGE HIMSELF.
HE'S BEEN DRAGGED THROUGH THE
MUD WITH EXTRAORDINARY
ACCUSATIONS.
DOCTOR FORD, AS SHE WAS ENTIRELY
CREDIBLE, AS JUDGE KAVANAUGH
HIMSELF SAID, SHE HAS GONE
THROUGH PAIN BUT IT'S NOT AN
EXPERIENCE THAT HE WAS IN ANY
WAY ASSOCIATED WITH.
>> WE MAY DISAGREE ON THE
IMMENSELY CREDIBLE.
YOU CAN'T TALK .
LOU: LET ME FINISH.
IF I MAY.
THE FACT THAT THE DEMOCRATS KEPT
ASKING FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION
WHEN THE ONLY FOUR PEOPLE WHO
HAVE BEEN NAMED BY DOCTOR FORD
HAVE REFUTED HER STORY AS TO
TIME, PLACE, EVENT, THEY SAY
THEY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF EITHER
JUDGE KAVANAUGH OR AND BEING OF
PROXIMITY TO HER OR THAT EVENT
WHICH NONE OF THEM COULD THEY
EVER HAPPENED.
THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.
IN BUT -
>> WELL, I'M SORRY I WAS JUMPING
IN BUT .
LOU: I'M GOING STRAIGHT BACK TO
WHO YOU ARE.
>> WELL, LOOK, THERE WERE SO
MANY INCONSISTENCIES IN HER
STORY, YET SHE PRESENTED IT
CREDIBLY JUST AS ANYBODY IN HER
SITUATION WOULD AFTER SHE'D BEEN
COACHED REPEATEDLY, PREPARED AS
A WITNESS.
THEY ASKED FOR THESE EXTRA DAYS
SO THEY COULD KEEP HER
REHEARSING AND GET HER READY.
SHE WAS AND SHE BURST AS WELL AS
SHE REHEARSED.
SHE PRESENTED.
BUT THERE WERE STILL THESE
INCREDIBLE DISCREPANCIES AND HOW
YOU CAN SAY IT HAD WANTED YOU
AND YOU WILL NEVER GET THE
DETAILS AND IN ONE SENTENCE AND
IN THAT ACCIDENT SAY YOU DON'T
REMEMBER THE DETAILS BUT THE
DETAILS WILL REMAIN WITH YOU
FOREVER.
SHE DID NOT EVEN CALL THE NAME
WHEN SHE FIRST TOLD THE SHRINK
AND THEN SHE SAID THE SHRINK
SAID FOUR PEOPLE AND NOW SHE
SAID TO END THE TESTIMONY SAYS
FOUR.
BOTTOM LINE IS I HOPE THAT
REPUBLICANS WILL LEARN A LESSON.
IT WASN'T A TRIAL.
IT WAS A CHARADE.
LOU, ALL THE TRIALS THAT I HAD
AS A FELONY JUDGE AS A LITIGATO
LITIGATOR, NOT ONCE DID I EVER
HEAR BOTH SIDES REST.
WE FINISHED ORAL ARGUMENT AND I
SAID OKAY, NOW WILL COME BACK IN
A COUPLE WEEKS AND VOTE THEN.
WHEN YOU FINISH THE EVIDENCE IT
IS TIME TO VOTE.
DON'T ALLOW THESE CHARADES TO GO
IN AND THIS INTERMITTENT GARBAGE
THAT IS DEVELOPED HERE.
SHUT IT DOWN.
YOU HAVE A VOTE AT THE TIME
AFTER EVIDENCE.
LOU: JUDGE KAVANAUGH -
CONGRESSMAN BIGGS, DOES HE -
DOES HE WIN THE SUPPORT OF ALL
THE REPUBLICANS AND PERHAPS A
FEW DEMOCRATS?
WHAT IS YOUR OUTLOOK ON HOW THAT
VOTE WILL GO?
>> IF THERE IS FAIRNESS THEN HE
WILL WIN ALL THE REPUBLICANS AND
A FEW DEMOCRATS.
I THINK GRANDMA WAS RIGHT.
THIS IS NOT THE TOWN OF
FAIRNESS.
HE WINS THE NOMINATION.
I THINK THE FACT THAT THE
DISCREPANCIES WERE BIG ENOUGH
WITH THE WITNESSES THAT YOU
ALLOW SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS
WHO WERE WOMEN TO VOTE FOR JUDGE
KAVANAUGH.
I HOPE HE GETS CONFIRMED.
THIS HAS BEEN A TRAVESTY FROM
THE BEGINNING.
HE WAS MISTREATED AND HIS FAMILY
- YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE FACE
AND THE PAIN.
>> THINK OF WHAT THEY DID TO
DOCTOR FORD.
LOU: THERE IS NO QUESTION OF THE
CONFIDENTIALITY THAT SHE HERSELF
REAFFIRMED SHE ABSOLUTELY
INSISTED UPON WAS IMPORTANT TO
HER, A COMMITMENT FROM THE
DEMOCRATS ON THE COMMITTEE AND
THEY VIOLATED IT.
THEY BETRAYED THAT
CONFIDENTIALITY AND ACTED, NOT
TO PROTECT HER OR TO ADDRESS
INJURY.
IT WAS RATHER TO EXPLAIN HER.
THAT'S WHAT THEY TRIED TODAY AND
BECAUSE OF THIS GREAT NOMINEE,
THE PRESIDENT SHOWS EXTREMELY
WELL, THEY WILL TONIGHT WITHOUT
QUESTION BE EXTRAORDINARILY
FRUSTRATED.
CONGRESSMAN -
>> TO FEINSTEIN SHE SAID IT WAS
NOT HER STAFF THAT WE DID BUT
THEN AGAIN SHE DID NOT KNOW SHE
HAD -
[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]
LOU: I KNOW IT'S ALWAYS A
COMPELLING ON THE HOUSE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.