>>> OUR MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO
CONTINUE TO HELP THE RUSSIAN
REGIME AND THEIR CRIMINAL
CONDUCT, IT IS THIS.
IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW FAR YOUR
SAIL YOUR YACHT, IT DOES NOT
MATTER HOW WELL YOU CONCEAL YOUR
ASSETS, IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW
CLEVERLY YOU WRITE YOUR MALWARE
OR HIDE YOUR ONLINE ACTIVITY,
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WILL USE
EVERY AVAILABLE TOOL TO FIND
YOU, DISRUPT YOUR PLOTS, AND
HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE.
>> THAT WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL
MERRICK GARLAND YESTERDAY, A FEW
HOURS BEFORE HE TESTED POSITIVE
FOR COVID.
AND HE SENT A STARK WARNING TO
KREMLIN ELITES AFTER THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT UNVEILED NEW CHARGES
AGAINST A RUSSIAN OLIGARCH FOR
VIOLATING SANCTIONS.
WITH MANY BELIEVING THE WAR IN
UKRAINE HAS ENTERED A NEW PHASE,
AND "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORT,
THAT NATO COUNTRIES ARE DIVIDED
ON WHAT THE GROUP'S NEXT STEPS
SHOULD BE, ACCORDING TO WESTERN
OFFICIALS, WHO SPOKE WITH THE
TIMES, QUOTE, CENTRAL EUROPEAN
MEMBERS LIKE POLAND AND THE
BALTIC STATES WANT A TOTAL BREAK
WITH MOSCOW BUT OTHER NATIONS
BELIEVE THAT RUSSIA CANNOT BE
EASILY SUBDUED AND THAT THE
WAR'S OUTCOME IS LIKELY TO BE
MESSY.
THOSE OTHER NATIONS INCLUDE
TURKEY, FRANCE, AND GERMANY.
AND ANOTHER REPORT AND POINTED
DISAGREEMENT IS HOW SERIOUSLY TO
TAKE THE KREMLIN IN PEACE TALKS
WITH UKRAINE.
WHILE SOME BELIEVE RUSSIA IS
LOOKING FOR AN AVENUE TO ESCAPE
THE WAR, U.S. OFFICIALS ARE
REPORTEDLY SKEPTICAL THAT MOSCOW
IS WILLING TO MAKE CONCESSIONS.
>>> JOINING US NOW, WASHINGTON
CORRESPONDENT FROM BLOOMBERG TV
AND RADIO, ANN MARIE, THANKS FOR
BEING HERE.
GOOD MORNING.
WE STARTED THE SHOW WITH THIS.
THE U.S. AND THE WEST HAS LAID
OUT MORE SANCTIONS, AND AGAINST
RUSSIA IN THE WAKE OF THOSE
ATROCITIES THAT WE SAW IN
BUFRPA, ANDBUFRP
BUCHA, WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD, WHAT
MAY BE COMING, WHAT IMPACT MAY
THEY HAVE?
>> FROM THE UNITED STATES, JOHN,
THE STRATEGY IS REALLY THE SAME
IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING
AFTER AND HOW THEY'RE TARGETING
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND
INDIVIDUALS.
THIS IS EXPANDING THE SCOPE.
SO THEY NOW HAVE FULL BLOCKING
SANCTIONS ON ALPHA BANK AND
ANOTHER BANK AND AN ENERGY
CARVEOUT AS IN THE PAST AND
GOING AFTER INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE
VERY CLOSE TO INDIVIDUALS IN THE
KREMLIN.
SERGEI LAVROV, HIS WIFE AND
DAUGHTER.
AND AS WELL AS A LITTLE BIT MORE
PERSONAL TO PRESIDENT PUTIN,
LIST TWO ADULT DAUGHTERS AND WE
SHOULD NOTE, JONATHAN, THIS CAN
REALLY GET THE ATTENTION OF
PRESIDENT PUTIN, THE KREMLIN HAS
NEVER EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED THESE
INDIVIDUALS' NAMES, PUTIN RARELY
SPEAKS ABOUT THEM, AND REALLY
HAS GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS OVER
THE COURSE OF HIS REIGN TO TRY
TO HIDE THEM AND PROTECT THEIR
LIVES.
SO IT IS A LOT OF THE SAME.
AND THE LAST THING WE'RE WAITING
FOR IS ALSO, NOTED PROPOSALS
FROM EUROPE, WE'RE WAITING FOR
THEM TO SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE
FOR THE FIFTH PACKAGE THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENTERING
INTO.
>> AND YOU SPOKE YESTERDAY TO
RUSSIAN OLIGARCH, AND PROVIDED
SOME INSIGHTS HOW THE WEST IS
RESPONDING TO RUSSIA BUT HOW
PUTIN ALREADY USED THE WEST.
TELL US ABOUT THAT.
>> THE OLIGARCH SPENT QUITE A
BIT OF TIME WITH MY COLLEAGUE AT
BLOOMBERG AND IN WASHINGTON
BRIEFING OFFICIALS AS WELL A
STATE OFFICIAL TOLD US HE SPOKE
TO VICTORIA NEWMAN AND NSC
OFFICIALS THIS WEEK, AND HE
REALLY UNDERSTANDS PUTIN'S MIND.
THEY WERE ENEMIES.
HE SPENT TEN YEARS IN PRISON
BEFORE HE WAS FREED AND LIVES IN
EXILE AND HE SAID THE ONE
MISTAKE THE WEST IS MAKING, THE
U.S. AND THE ALLIES, THEY'RE NOT
UNDERSTANDING HOW PUTIN
PERCEIVES THIS WAR AND PUTIN
ALREADY FROM HIS VIEW SAYS HE IS
AT WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES
AND THE WEST, EVEN THOUGH IT'S
ON UKRAINIAN SOIL SO WHEN THE
WEST TAKES A HARD LINE ABOUT THE
NATO BORDERS, HE SAYS THAT IS A
NUANCE THAT DOESN'T MEAN MUCH TO
PUTIN AND PUTIN HAS SAID THESE
LEVEL OF SANCTION, SENDING
WEAPONS TO UKRAINE, TRAINING THE
UKRAINIAN MILITARY, ALL OF THAT
MEANS WAR WITH THE WEST.
>> AND GIVE US 45 SECONDS ON
RIGHT NOW THE STATE OF THE
RUSSIAN ECONOMY AND HOW IT IS
WITHSTANDING SANCTIONS TO THIS
POINT.
>> THE ONE INTERESTING THING IS
THAT THE RUBLE, JOHN, HAS REALLY
REBOUNDED TO THE LEVELS
PREINVASION.
FOR PUTIN IT IS A MAJOR DOMESTIC
WIN.
WE HEARD FROM SECRETARY BLINKEN
OVER THE WEEKEND SAYING IT IS
MANIPULATED SO THERE ARE CAPITAL
CONTROLS IN PLACE TO PROP UP THE
RUBLE.
THE ONE ISSUE WE NEED TO FOCUS
ON, AND IT IS COMING INTO PLAY
FOR EUROPE AND IT IS HELPING THE
RUBLE, IS THAT RUSSIA CONTINUES
TO SELL OIL AND GAS.
THAT WILL MAKE UP $321 BILLION
THIS YEAR.
THAT IS GOING TO BE STOCKING HIS
COFFERS AND THAT'S HOW HE WILL