AUDIENCE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN IS
POSSIBLE TOO WHICH WOULD GIVE
THEM THAT NUCH BIGMUCH BIGGER OF
STAGE, AND HELP HIM PROPEL HIS
MESSAGE.
>>> NOW WE HAVE THIS, WHICH WILL
REALLY GIVE ALL OF THIS CONTEXT.
"THE WASHINGTON POST" IS OUT
WITH NOW REPORTING ON WHAT IT
CALLS THE BIRTH OF DONALD
TRUMP’S BIG LIE, AND IT’S
DETAILED IN AN EXCERPT FROM
CAROL LENIG AND PHILLIP RUCKER’S
BOOK DO OUT NEXT WEEK ENTITLED
"I ALONE CAN FIX IT" THE SETTING
IS THE WHITE HOUSE 2020 AS
RESULTS WERE COMING IN.
QUOTE, RUDY GIULIANI STARTED TO
CAUSE A COMMOTION.
HE WAS TELLING OTHER GUESTS THAT
HE HAD TO COME UP WITH A
STRATEGY FOR TRUMP, AND WAS
TRYING TO GET INTO THE
PRESIDENT’S PRIVATE QUARTERS TO
TELL HIM ABOUT IT.
SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT GIULIANI MAY
HAVE BEEN DRINKING TOO MUCH AND
SUGGESTED TO CAMPAIGN MANAGER
BILL STEPIEN THAT HE TALK TO THE
FORMER MAYOR.
STEPIEN, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF
STAFF MARK ME DOSEADOWS SENIOR
ADVISER JASON MILLER TOOK
GIULIANI TO A ROOM, ASKING
STEPIEN, MEADOWS, WHAT THEY WERE
SEEING AND WHAT’S THEIR PLAN.
WHAT’S HAPPENING IN MICHIGAN,
THEY SAID IT WAS TOO EARLY TO
TELL.
VOTES WERE BEING COUNTED.
JUST SAY WE WON, GIULIANI TOLD
THEM.
SAME THING IN PENNSYLVANIA, JUST
SAY WE WON PENNSYLVANIA,
GIULIANI SAID.
HIS GRAND PLAN WAS TO JUST SAY
TRUMP WON STATE AFTER STATE,
BASED ON NOTHING.
STEPIEN, MILLER AND MEADOWS
THOUGHT HIS ARGUMENT WAS BOTH
INCOHERENT AND IRRESPONSIBLE.
WE CAN’T DO THAT, MEADOWS SAID,
RAISING HIS VOICE.
WE CAN’T.
THE BOOK THEN DETAILS HOW TRUMP
ORDERED HIS ADVISERS TO CALL TOP
EXECUTIVES AND HOSTS AT FOX NEWS
TO PUSH BACK AT ITS PROJECTION
THAT JOE BIDEN HAD WON THE STATE
OF ARIZONA.
TRUMP WAS LIVID.
THE BOOK CLAIMS.
ADDING QUOTE HE COULD NOT FATHOM
THAT THE CONSERVATIVE NEWS
NETWORK HE HAD LONG CONSIDERED
AN EXTENSION OF HIS CAMPAIGN WAS
THE FIRST NEWS ORGANIZATION TO
CALL ARIZONA FOR BIDEN.
THEN GIULIANI REENTERS THE
SCENE, HE PUSHED THE PRESIDENT
TO FORGET ABOUT ARIZONA, TO
FORGET ABOUT THE ARIZONA CALL
AND JUST SAY HE WON.
TO STEP INTO THE EAST ROOM AND
DELIVER A VICTORY SPEECH.
NEVER MIND THAT MEADOWS HAD
EARLIER SNAPPED AT GIULIANI AND
SAID THE PRESIDENT COULDN’T JUST
DECLARE HIMSELF THE WINNER.
JUST GO DECLARE VICTORY RIGHT
NOW, GIULIANI TOLD TRUMP.
YOU’VE GOT TO GO DECLARE VICTORY
NOW.
GIULIANI’S INTERJECTIONS OF HIS
JUST SAY YOU WON STRATEGY
INFURIATED TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN
ADVISERS.
IT’S HARD TO BE THE RESPONSIBLE
PARENT WHEN THERE IS A COOL
UNCLE AROUND TAKING THE KID TO
THE MOVIES, AND DRIVING HIM
AROUND IN A CORVETTE.
ONE OF THESE ADVISERS WERE
CALLED, THAT’S SORT OF A MET
METAPHOR THERE AND CAROL LENIG
AND PHIL RUCKER WILL BE OUR
GUESTS ABOUT THIS WEEK NEXT
WEEK.
WILLIE, THOUGH, MY GOD, I MEAN,
I REALLY WAS ACTUALLY QUITE
MOVED BY JOE BIDEN’S SPEECH
BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE WE ARE
BECAUSE OF MOMENTS LIKE THAT,
AND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS,
ACCORDING TO LIZ CHENEY AND MANY
OTHERS, HAVE BEEN MISLED ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED.
>> AND YOU CAN SEE AGAIN IN
CAROL AND PHIL’S BUCK,OOK WHICH
CAN’T WAIT TO READ AND TALK TO
THEM ABOUT, JUST HOW CASUAL
TRUMP AND HIS TEAM ARE WITH OUR
DEMOCRACY.
GO OUT AND SAY YOU WON.
YOUR PEOPLE WILL BE BEHIND YOU
ALL THE WAY.
>> THEY TREATED IT LIKE A JOKE.
>> YOU WATCH THE BIRTH OF THE
LIE AND SEE THE SEED THAT WAS
PLANTED BY RUDY GIULIANI AND
OTHERS, AND DONALD TRUMP HAPPY
TO GO ALONG WITH IT AND FAN THE
FLAMES, AND YOU SEE WHERE LED
US, RIGHT TO THE STEPS OF THE
CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th.
>> HOW DISTURBING TO READ THAT
AS IT CAME OUT.
I CAN’T WAIT TO READ THE BOOK.
I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT I
THINK ONE OF THE PHRASES THAT I
HAVE BEEN USING, A LOT OF PEOPLE
PROBABLY HAVE, IS IT WASN’T
SURPRISING BUT IT’S SHOCKING.
IT’S STILL SHOCKING TO READ
EXACTLY HOW THIS WORKED OUT.
WE KNEW IT HAD TO COME FROM
SOMEWHERE.
IT’S NOT SURPRISING THAT RUDY
GIULIANI WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO
SAY THAT, TO, SAY, YOU KNOW,
LET’S JUST SAY WE WON, AND THAT
IS SOMETHING THE DEMOCRATS AND
PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT DEMOCRACY
ARE FIGHTING.
RIGHT?
IT IS THIS IDEA THAT THE PEOPLE
THAT WERE AROUND THE PRESIDENT,
NOT ONLY PUSHED AND PUT THAT
IDEA IN HIS HEAD, KNOWING THAT
DONALD TRUMP WAS A MAN WHO IS
TRANSACTIONAL, STILL IS VERY
TRANSACTIONAL, I ALONE CAN FIX
IT, A THROW BACK TO HOW HE
THINKS ABOUT EVERYTHING.
HE PUTS HIMSELF FIRST IN A LOT
OF WAYS HE THINKS ABOUT POLITICS
AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, AND
IT’S TRANSACTIONAL.
I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND
LOOK AT THE VOTING RESTRICTIONS
AND IT’S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER
HOW IT STARTED, RIGHT.
IT DIDN’T START FROM, YOU KNOW,
ON THE DAY ON JANUARY 6th FROM
THEIR LIPS WHERE THE SPEECH
HAPPENED, THIS WAS IN THE WORKS
FOR ACTUALLY MONTHS, EVEN BEFORE
RUDY GIULIANI SAID GO OUT THERE
AND SAY YOU WON.
DONALD TRUMP EARLY ON AS STATES
STARTED TO ALLOW MORE MAIL-IN
VOTING SAID THAT HE WOULD ONLY
LOSE IF HE GOT TO MAIL-IN VOTE.
THAT LIE BUILT AND BUILT AND
BUILT, AND HAS CRESCENDOED, AND
NOW IT HAS TAKEN OVER THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
THEY TALKED ABOUT MEADOWS AND
MILLER THERE, BUT AT THE SAME
TIME, THESE PEOPLE HAVE STILL
CONTINUED TO, IF NOT JUST HELPED
SPREAD THE BIG LIE, THEY WILL
HELP TO PROP UP DONALD TRUMP,
AND CONTINUE TO ALLOW HIM TO SAY THESE THINGS IN PUBLIC.
THESE THINGS IN PUBLIC.
>> AND TO BUILD ON THE POINT,
THE MONTHS AND MONTHS OF
CONSTERNATION AND QUESTIONS
WITHIN THE POSTAL SERVICE, THE
HEARINGS WITH THE TRUMP GUY WHO
RAN THE POSTAL SERVICE.
THIS WAS A LONG BUILD UP TO THE
BIG LIE THAT EVERYBODY WITHIN
TRUMP’S WORLD, SMART, EDUCATED
PEOPLE THAT HE PUT IN PLACE
PLAYED ALONG WITH.
>> Reporter: THEN PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAD A REMARKABLE ABILITY
TO MAKE AIDES AND OTHER
REPUBLICANS GO ALONG WITH
WHATEVER HE SAID IN AN EFFORT TO
KEEP HIM HAPPY, BE SPARED THE
WRATH OF HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT OR
TO FURTHER THEIR OWN AGENDAS,
AND THEY SAW TRUMP AS A USEFUL
VESSEL TO DO THAT.
THESE SEEDS HAVE BEEN PLANTED
FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND THERE
WAS AN UNDERMINING OF THE FAITH
OF THE BALLOT, ALL OF 2020
BECAUSE OF THE MAIL-IN VOTES,
THE CONSTANT CLAIMS OF THE
PRESIDENT SAYING THE ONLY WAY I
COULD LOSE IS IF THEY CHEESE,
THESE CLAIMS, ALL FALSE,
AMPLIFIED TO THE CONSERVATIVE
MEDIA NIGHT AFTER NIGHT ON
VARIOUS TALK SHOWS OR
CONSERVATIVE RADIO, AND HIS
FOLLOWERS HEARD IT, AND MANY OF
THEM BELIEVED IT, AND WHAT WE
SAW OF COURSE THEN AS THE
BALLOTS BROKE AGAINST HIM ON
ELECTION NIGHT, WE SAW TRUMP’S
RAGE IN PARTICULAR AS IT’S BEEN
REPORTED IN SEVERAL PLACES, AS
ARIZONA WAS CALLED, FIRST BY FOX
NEWS, WHICH IS USUALLY VERY
FRIENDLY TO THE TRUMP CAUSE AND
HE SAW THE NIGHT SLIPPING AWAY,
AND WE ALSO KNOW OF COURSE HE
HAD WARNED BECAUSE HE PUT SUCH
DOUBT ABOUT MAIL-IN BALLOTS,
THAT HE WAS WANTING TO FOCUS ON
THE VOTES COUNTED THAT DAY,
WHICH SHOWED HIM AHEAD IN A
NUMBER OF STATES, AND CHANGED IN
THE DAYS AHEAD, AND THAT BUILT
TO THE JANUARY 6th ASSAULT ON
DEMOCRACY, AND THE INSURRECTION
AT THE CAPITOL.
>> LET’S REMEMBER THE BIG LIE
COOKED UP IN THE ROOM IS WRITTEN
BY THAT BOOK OF RUDY GIULIANI,
AND WHOSE JUSTIFICATION, WHOSE