UP DURING THE MASSIVE CLEANUP.
IT IS DISGUSTING BUT THEY GET
AFTER VERY QUICKLY.
RACHEL, OVER TO YOU.
RACHEL: OF CHRISTIAN BAKERS
FOSTER BUSINESS AFTER BEING
ORDERED TO PAY $135,000 FINE
BECAUSE THEY STUCK TO THEIR
RELIGIOUS BELIEFS REFUSING TO
BAKE A CAKE FOR A WEDDING BACK
IN 2013.
THE OREGON APPEALS COURT RULING
THEY WERE WRONG FOR
DISCRIMINATING BASED ON SEXUAL
ORIENTATION.
THE OWNERS OF SWEET CAKES BY
MELISSA ARE JOINED BY MICHAEL
BERRY AT THE LIBERTY INSTITUTE
YOU LOST YOUR BUSINESS.
YOU HAD TO PAY RESTITUTION OF
$135,000 INCLUDING A TITANIC
COUNT TO 10% THAT YOU LABELED
FOR GOD.
CASE TO RULE ON YOUR BEHALF?
PERSUADE THE JUDGES.
I JUST KNOW THIS IS ONE STEP IN
THE PROCESS.
DISAPPOINTING BUT WE WILL
CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
RACHEL: HOW HAS THIS AFFECTED
YOUR BUSINESS AND FAMILY
FINANCES?
>> WELL, IT IS DEFINITELY BEEN
HARD ON HER FAMILY.
IT TAKEN A TOLL ON OUR FAMILY.
BUT I CAN SAY THAT GOD IS SO
GOOD AND HE'S BEEN TAKING CARE
OF US.
RACHEL: YOU HAVE CHILDREN.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'VE BEEN
BULLIED IN SCHOOL AS WELL.
>> YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD A
WHOLE LOT OF.
WE DO HOMESCHOOL OUR KIDS.
WE DECIDED FOR MANY REASONS TO
RACHEL: MICHAEL, WHY DO YOU
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE COURT'S
OPINION WHICH IS AVAILABLE,
FIRST LIBERTY.ORA, ONE OF THE
THINGS THE COURT SAID THAT THEY
DID IN CUSTOM DESIGNING AND
JUST HEARD THE SUPREME COURT
TALK ABOUT THIS SIMILAR ISSUE
NOT TOO LONG AGO.
IS THE ACLU THEMSELVES THAT
THEIR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION FOR
ITSELF SAYS WE HAVE TO ALLOW
FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION FOR
OTHERS.
THEY JUST WANT THE SAME BASIC
>> COULD THIS BACKFIRE ON
SPEECHWRITER FOR A CONSERVATIVE
SPEECH OR POLITICIAN.
IS THIS A SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT
NIGHT I JUST AFFECT RELIGIOUS
PEOPLE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
HER NOT JUST RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THE
TO CONSTITUTE ART.
WE THEN CAN CNN KNOWLEDGE THAT
MELISSA CUSTOMS DESIGNS THESE
CAKES THEY SHOULD PUT THEIR OWN
PROTECTED BY THE FIRST
AMENDMENT.
THAT THEIR WAGES.
RACHEL: I UNDERSTAND THE LESBIAN
EXPERIENCED PHYSICAL HARM BY
MELISSA AND AIRING.
THE EXPERIENCE TO WEIGHT GAIN,
ARE TRULY DIVERSE PLURALISTIC
COUNTRY THAT TOLERATES ALL
POINTS OF VIEW, AS THE SUPREME
COURT RECENTLY OPINED, TOLERANCE
IS A TWO-WAY STREET.
WHAT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE
CLIENTS AND THEIR FAMILY IN THE
$135,000 PENALTY HAS FORCED THEM
TO CLOSE THEIR BUSINESS.
THAT IS HARMFUL NOT ONLY TO
THEM, BUT ALL AMERICANS BECAUSE
THE GOVERNMENT CAN NOW FORCE IS
UNDER THREAT OF MASSIVE
PENALTIES TO SAY THINGS THAT GO
AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
AND THAT IS WRONG.
TRADE THREE MELISSA, AARON,
MICHAEL, ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN AN
EXAMPLE.
I KNOW YOU'VE RECEIVED LOTS OF
AS YOU SAID BEFORE SUPPORTER IN
THE COUNTRY FROM UNDERSTANDING
THAT FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.