yeah the question was about the idea
that was heard that of me saying
something about person on the path
shouldn't have a job it's really when
the Mind falls asleep and forgets
Oneness and heaven and Nirvana it's it
seems to to be now existing in a very
limited condition we'll call it Human
Condition on planet Earth and so part of
the Human Condition is that you have
needs and desires and wants and um and
those needs and wants in a sense of lack
are often met and overcome by doing
things working for things attaining
things achieving things uh they can be
physical needs seemingly psychological
needs just a sense of of being in in
complete and needing to do things to to
satisfy those senses of lack even if
it's temporary like eating when you're
hungry or drinking when you're thirsty
and and so on and so forth so I would
say my Approach is is not so much like a
cookie cutter approach that that's it's
one one thing for everybody it's pretty
much it's very much like Abraham mslo's
pyramid his hierarchy of needs that as
long as the mind is is quite invested in
this belief system and lack then working
at a job or having a career or whatever
those are very practical things to meet
needs as they're perceived so that's
what I mean by practical
spirituality so in my case um early on
back in 1986 um when I was tuning into
the spirit um I basically had student
loans and and some of the things we
talked about lack and debt and so forth
and you just can't abdicate on um
responsibilities duties obligations even
if they were set up by the ego it's like
they still you have to be Unwound out of
them so for most people on the path most
people are given a slowly evolving
curriculum in which the spirit is very
very practical and meets the mind right
where it believes it is if it believes
it's a human being on planet Earth with
these different wants and needs and so
forth and obligations and duties the
spirit's guidance will come through and
meet the mind in that way uh so in my
case I was guided to a a job and a
series of jobs that not only helped in
paying off the debts that I had but it
also was starting to unwind me from
Pride from the sense of being in
control uh and and opening me to clearer
and clearer
guidance now the one quote
that sometimes gets attributed to me and
and a question will come in
sometime uh is can you be a CEO and be
enlightened
and my answer is always no you can't be
a CEO and be enlightened Enlightenment
is is a state of transcending Concepts
just like the Buddha talked about
emptying the mind of all the contents of
Consciousness and everything that seems
to involve planet Earth including jobs
and uh
roles and all different kinds of
identities are all Concepts
so the mind is simply identified with a
false set of self-concepts that God did
not create and God really knows nothing
about and that's where the guilt's
coming in if God created us perfect and
we misidentify with a bunch of tiny
little roles and Concepts that weren't
given to us in our creation that
generates guilt and
fear and sadness loneliness all
different kinds of upset and so
progressively As you move along with the
spirit and you empty your mind and you
empty your mind of all opinions of all
concepts of everything you think is
right and wrong and good and bad you go
beyond morality you go beyond ethics you
just empty and empty your mind to come
to a still point of
emptiness you realize I that you are
full of light you have a full experience
of what is actually there of who you
really are when you're emptied from all
these pseudo uh self Concepts so
ultimately you know the question when
people ask about can you be enlightened
and be a
CEO a CEO a chief executive officer of a
company you know uh has concerns like um
debit and credits and profits and
quarterly profits and
Investments and stock market of
fluctuations and factors there's a lot
that goes on to being a
CEO that is really plugged into the
world and yet as you move along you
empty your mind more and more and more
of these Concepts you realize that you
are not sustained by money you are not
sustained by by food food or all the
typical things that were believed in
before but you are you have a Divine
Providence you are
sustained by the presence of love in
your
mind and it's yeah it's taken me about
25 years to really feel the full impact
of that the full impact of that divine
presence and it really hasn't been a
sense of sacrifice for me I mean I feel
like I I went went through education I
went through business I went
through uh acting and interacting and
believing in the ways of the world and
then it's like been a rinse cycle the
spirit's been rinsing my mind and
rinsing my mind for many years and then
you get to a point
where everything is taken care of
without any kind of sense of effort
efforting or
striving or planning uh things just have
a gentle ease and flow to them uh that's
in alignment with this this spiritual
flow so yeah I don't really have a
stance on on jobs per se um I think that
when you get much much deeper into
authentic
spirituality the trust level goes much
higher the guidance you know you're much
clearer with the guidance and you
outgrow uh Concepts like jobs just as a
child a small child might outgrow
playing with little toys it just comes a
day when that little wagon gets left in
the front
yard it just is unnecessary at that
point and as you continue on deepening
on the spiritual
journey uh jobs as well as many other
things um will just kind of Fall by by
the wayside and gradually just fade away
until they're no longer necessary some
people have said to me they said don't
you uh don't you feel that you work
anymore and I said well you could just
look at it both ways you could say I'm
working all the
time uh in a in a sense a spiritual
connection it's a spiritual work or you
could say I'm on vacation all the time
which it does feel like that because
there's not the typical constraints of
work there's there's no beginning time
and end time you don't have to punch a a
Time clock for this kind of work you
have tremendous fringe benefits uh you
know you could use the same lingo you
have everything that seems to go along
with the benefits of working in the
world but it's just it's more it it's an
experience of of the mind and it's
experience of the spirit not seeing that
things come from from outside it feels
like it all comes from a Wellspring
within so I'm not really into
um like saying that it has to be this
way for everyone and so on and so forth
because there's so many steps along the
spiritual journey and
um it's more like like you you stay with
something as long as it's practical and
beneficial and as long as it's needed
and then when something is no longer
needed then it's not like you have to
rip it away it just kind of Falls away
in a very natural
way