>> I think most people, or rightly or wrongly, they are looking at this from the point of
view of Biden has won and surely he will become president, so we don't have to do much, and
I sort of get it. But they are trying to do it. We have never experienced in American
politics what is happening right now.
We did have an election that was stolen in a way that feels a little bit like that in
2000, but this is far more brazen. Far more brazen and very public right now. And thankfully,
there are some organizations, including media organizations that we have been critical of.
That are, I think, accurately describing this in a way that that quote that I gave you from
CNN, politics does not.
Front page of the New York Times. Is Trump targeting Michigan in ploy to subvert vote?
That could be a little bit stronger, but it is accurate. Washington Post says, Trump wages
full assault to overturn election. And that is what it is. This is not in question anymore.
This isn't, let's wait for six weeks in one county in Florida to figure out what the real
count.
We know what the real count is. We know that Biden has won, and that it's not close. It's
not close in terms of electoral account. It's not remotely close in terms of the popular
vote. It's not even close in terms of the electoral count based on the popular vote
lead that he has in those states.
It's not close under any of these metrics. But he is still trying to steal it. And while
some organizations like the Washington Post are, I would say, rightly responding to it,
others, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer. What are they doing? We're gonna give credit after
our first break to some of the Republicans who I feel like are speaking out against it
in a bore bold fashion.
At least if you incorporate the fact that they're gonna be attacked viciously by Donald
Trump. Biden is saying things like, what the president is doing now is really, it's gonna
be another incident where he will go down in history as being one of the most irresponsible
presidents in American history.
It's not even within the norm at all. There's questions about whether it's even legal. It's
irresponsible. It's not within the norm. He's trying to steal the election from Joe Biden.
And Joe Biden is doing slightly better than Kamala Harris' fist bump to Lindsey Graham,
I would say. >> Yeah, I think people made wave more with
the fist bump thing.
It's insane to make a big thing from a fist bump. You can heat it. But,-
>> He's trying to stop her from becoming vice president right now. He was right before that
and he was right after that. That's what he's doing.
>> Yeah. >> I don't care if they've had lunch together
or they worked on legislation, he's trying to block her from becoming VP.
>> All right, do you want me to be rhetorically sound, or do you want me to be realistic?
The realistic thing is,- >> I want it to be you.
>> The me being me is to be at this weird crosswords roads where I can either say, like,
yeah, screw those people.
Or say, well, the realities of it are, there are 1,000 other ways that Kamala Harris is
failing in messaging than whether she's giving a fist bump to the annoying little brat who
walks by her because it's less. It's just like, good job, wave a bye. I'm gonna need
to talk to you later.
Everyone's talking about that, >> I would see him. I would know what he represents,
what he's trying to accomplish. Fist bump, he's your enemy.
>> No, I mean, your argument is,- >> He's trying to overthrow an American presidential
election. >> Your argument is, the people on the Republican
side are doing a much better job rhetorically of messaging because they can speak out both
sides of their mouths.
And you're trying to say that, let's not even remotely leave open the possibility for us
to make some kind of political play. That's why I say that there are 1,000 other different
ways that she's failing in this, than whether or not she's giving him a fist bump. The fist
bump is like floor of Congress, decorum, whatever.
There is no time where she's going and doing the other thing that Lindsey Graham's doing,
which she needs to do. Which is to go out there. And that's why I think it's like a
way bigger issue. And I think fixating on a two second fist bump, which I'm not saying
you're doing.
But when I see people even mention it, it's like get out there, like Biden in that press
conference went forward and said, basically. I'm leaving open the possibility of prosecution
by saying this might even be illegal. And I get it, just as frustrated you with those
things that are like when the both sidesing of like floofy little headlines instead of
the ones that you showed.
And if you do, well, I watch CNN sometimes cuz I have this little thing in the shower
that let's me put my phone on it. And they're not pulling punches anymore. They're like,
the wild and wanton attempt to steal the election by asking Michigan legislators to the White
House.
This is wildly inappropriate and incredibly, legally dubious, to say the least. And the
truth is, it is. I mean if he pulls it off, I would argue in many, many ways that he is
violating at least two major federal election laws.
>> Yeah. >> By disenfranchising people and by committing
voter fraud and essentially disenfranchising people from their constitutional rights.
>> I agree, my concerns, I think, go beyond just that it's a violation of law.