GAINS INTO UKRAINIAN TERRITORY
ANT CONTINUE TO FILE MISSILES IN
TO UKRAINE.
CHARLES?
>> Charles: SO HOW SHOULD WE
READ AND NOT READ WHAT NEY DID
ON VICTORY DAY.
GENERAL KEITH KELLOGG HERE WITH
US.
THERE WAS A LOT OF SPECULATION
INTOING TO THE VICTORY DAY
PARADE AND SPEECH THAT THERE
WOULD BE AN ESCALATION, THAT
THIS WOULD BE CALLED A WAR.
WHAT HAPPENED?
>> A COUPLE OF THINGS HAPPENED.
TREY MENTIONED THEM.
THE MAY 9 PARADE IS QUITE LARGE.
A COUPLE OF THINGS HAPPENED.
WORDS MATTER.
I LISTENED TO WHAT PUTIN SAID.
READ IT A FEW TIMES.
HERE’S WHAT HE SAID.
HE SAID DONBAS REGION FIVE
TIMES.
NEVER MENTIONED UKRAINE AT ALL.
MENTIONED KYIV.
DIDN’T MENTION THE COUNTRY OF
UKRAINE.
THEN WHEN HE DIDN’T TALK ABOUT
THE MOBILIZATION OF FORCES TO
WIN THE WAR.
HERE’S MY TAKE ON READING
BETWEEN THE LINES.
I’M PROBABLY IN A SMALL
MINORITY.
I THINK HE REALIZES HE’S NOT
GOING TO WIN.
HE’S TRYING TO LOOK AT A WAY OUT
AND HOW CAN HE DO IT.
HE’S THINKING IF I CAN KEEP THE
DONBAS, THAT’S MY IDEA OF
SUCCESS.
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTED
THAT RUSSIAN FORCES MOVING BACK
BLEW UP THREE BRIDGES.
YOU DON’T BLOW UP THREE BRIDGES
IF YOU ADVANCE.
YOU’RE BLOW THEM UP WHEN
SOMEBODY IS CHASING YOU.
HE’S THINKING THERE’S GOT TO BE
A WAY OUT OF IT.
LAST FRIDAY THEY VOTED IN THE
U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL TO LOOK AT
PEACEFUL WAYS TO CELEBRATE THIS
OR BRING THIS TO A CONCLUSION.
THE RUSSIANS DIDN’T VETO IT.
THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME.
LOOKING HOW HOW THEY CAN GET
PEACE TALKS GOING.
ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN IS MORE
CITIES WILL GET DESTROYED AND
MORE CIVILIANS WILL DIE.
THEY HAVE A GREAT LEADER,
ZELENSKY AND FIGHTING WELL.
THEY’RE PUSHING THE RUSSIANS
BACK.
I THINK MAYBE PUTIN IS TAKING --
THINKING THERE’S AN END GAME AND
LET’S TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
THAT’S MY READING BETWEEN THE
LINES.
I HOPE I’M RIGHT.
>> Charles: I LIKE THE SCENARIO
YOU LAID OUT. OTHER SCENARIOS INCLUDE THAT
OTHER SCENARIOS INCLUDE THAT
RUSSIA HAS A HISTORY OF
PROLONGED WARFARE.
VLADIMIR PUTIN THINKS THAT THIS
COULD BE A PROLONGED MULTIYEAR
AFFAIR AND THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN
WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.
>> YEAH, BUT HERE’S WHERE I
THINK THERE’S -- THAT’S WRONG,
CHARLES.
WE HAVE MATCHED HIM WITH
ARTILLERY AND WITH DRONES AND
WITH HEAVY SYSTEMS OUT THERE.
WE’RE MATCHING WITH WHAT HE CAME
TO THE PARTY WITH, WHICH A LOT
OF ARTILLERY AND MISSILES.
IF WE DO THAT, HE REALIZES HE
CAN’T WIN.
UKRAINE AS A NATION WILL STAND.
IT WILL NOT FALL.
THEY HAVE PROVEN THAT.
I LIKE TO SEE THAT THEY’LL HOLD
ON TO ODESA, WHICH GIVES THEM
ACCESS TO THE BLACK SEA.
THERE’S A WAY THROUGH THE THIS
IF WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY TO GET
THE PARTIES TALKING AND FIGURE
OUT HOW TO GET OUT OF THIS THING
SO WE DON’T SEE MORE CIVILIAN
DEATHS AND KEEP UKRAINE STANDING
AS A NATION AND WHICH IT WILL
STAND.
>> Charles: WHAT DO YOU THINK
OF -- IT’S BEEN CURIOUS TO ME AS
SOMEONE THAT IS NOT A MILITARY
EXPERT BUT HEARD FOR YEARS HOW
POWERFUL AND LETHAL THE RUSSIAN
MILITARY IS.
THAT IT’S BEEN THIS PLOTTING
APPROACH.
THEY NEVER DECLARED WAR.
THEY HAVE CONSCRIPTS FIGHTING
THIS WAR.
MANY GENERALS HAVE DIED
INCLUDING A GENERAL THAT
APPARENTLY DIDN’T SHOW UP AT THE
VICTORY DAY PARADE.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE THAT THEY NEVER
PUT IT IN SECOND OR THIRD GEAR?
>> WELL, I DON’T THINK THEY HAVE
THE CAPABILITY TO DO IT.
IT’S NOT IN THEIR PLAN.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE MILITARY PLAN
FOR RUSSIAN MODERNIZATION, THEY
INTENDED TO FIGHT A DEFENSIVE WAR.
THEY DECENTRALIZED THEIR
BATTALION TACTICAL GROUPS.
THEY’RE POORLY LED.
THEY VIOLATED EVERY PRINCIPAL
WAR THAT I GREW UP LEARNING.
SHOCKED A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT
THEY COULDN’T PULL IT TOGETHER.
THAT’S WHY THEY’RE LISTENING
SENIOR OFFICERS, NOT ONLY
OFFICERS BUT COMMANDERS.
THEY HAD TO FIGHT FORWARD.
THEY DIDN’T HAVE THE JUNIOR
LEADERSHIP LIKE WE HAVE IN THE
AMERICAN MILITARY TO FIGHT
THROUGH PROBLEMS.
>> Charles: GENERAL, IT’S GOOD
THAT ZELENSKY DIDN’T BLINK AND