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this week on Vice we're in India and
Pakistan to check out the world's most
dangerous
border there's machine Gunners on every
building along our route and also an
illegal escape from North Korea
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Vice hi I'm Shane Smith we're here in
the vice offices in Brooklyn New York
and for our first story this week we go
to
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Asia North Korea is one of the worst
places on Earth its population suffers
from political oppression intense
poverty and starvation so it's no wonder
that every year thousands of people try
to escape the country now getting out is
hard enough but getting to a safe place
as a turns out is even harder so he sent
Thomas to meet a group of defectors as
they flee from their oppressive
regime
the country Kim is betrayed is North
Korea we can't show her face because if
the North Korean government finds out
she's escaped both Kim and her family
could spend the rest of their lives in
prison
camp which ironically enough is one of
the many reasons people want to get the
hell out of there to escape North Korea
you can't just slip across the border
into South Korea that is unless you're
willing to cross an 8m strip of
landmines bears and North Korean guards
with orders to shoot to kill so most
affectors head for China but China is
still dangerous too the Chinese
government refuses to give North Koreans
Refugee status in part because it sees
North Korea as a buffer between its own
country and the American back South
Korea so if a North Korean is caught in
China they get sent right back where
they came from those who don't get
caught have to rely on a network of
human traffickers and Brokers to guide
them out of that country to Freedom
provided they don't just sell them into
a life of sexual bondage instead which
they often
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do that's where Pastor Kim comes in for
the past 16 years he's been waiting into
this black market and plucking North
Koreans from its horny clutches and for
no personal gain other than winning
souls for the glory of God the Father
Almighty in fact many of his congregants
are North Koreans he helped Escape his
latest rescue mission is our girl Kim
how much is does it cost like basically
kind of like per person to get somebody
out of North
Korea um so wait I'm sorry the the pimp
made you pay for her
abortion yeah
that was the first and a series of shady
deals the pastor had to make in order to
get Kim a 23-year-old potato farmer to
Freedom the next was paying to have her
smuggle to a safe house in yanji China
since being seen there with a bunch of
foreigners might blow her Escape we sent
our Korean translator with a small
camera to meet
her
since escaping herim Kim has been Hol Up
in this safe house with three other
North Korean women who each sold his
Brides to Chinese men the pastor is also
Bank rolling their escape with their
kids in toe back at the church the
pastor laid out his plan to get to South
Korea the girls have to take buses
several thousand miles to the southern
Chinese border then sneak into La that's
where we'll meet them and watch they're
smuggled across the Mong River into
Thailand the nearest place that
recognizes their Refugee
status
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once we got word that Kim and the other
North Koreans had started their way
South we headed to La this is obviously
the most sketchy part of the trip a
because it is human trafficking but also
because these guys get caught the
defectors are
starting to get a little ill it
is finally we met Kim hi how are you hey
thank
you this is her first time meeting a
foreigner oh wow
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okay
how do you remember how you felt when
Kim your
past can you describe how you got from
your village to
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China
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do you know what the next steps are for
you to get to South Korea do you know
what you have to go through
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um are you
nervous why not I would be
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nervous
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we set out in the middle of the night we
had to race to make it across the river
Before Sunrise blew our
cover speeding down windy L ocean
Mountain Roads which is especially
nauseating for Kim and the others
considering this is only the third or
fourth time they've ever been in a
car it's
lunacy all this effort all this money
just to get four nice young ladies out
of a country that can't feed them
doesn't have any opportunities for them
and stuff to somewhere that at least P
lip service the idea of wanting them
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there amen
amen
come here come
here
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junior
so at this point of the trip
um we get caught not only these basic
before but we turn back
overated cely
exed we'll probably end
upid
once off the boat the girls have to hide
themselves to avoid being spotted by
passing rubber
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control now we have to rush back across
the Mong River before the next border
patrol passes so that we can legally
reenter Thailand to meet up with the
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girls
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the bad news is the girls have been
caught the good news is they were caught
by Thai police who won't send them back
to North Korea they're beh right behind
this little like he's a sheet metal um
we can hear him talking actually and
there's a hole here that people have
been passing stuff through you speaks to
tie security around these parts um hey
Kim hey um how are you are you
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okay from here they have to wait on a
representative from the South Korean
Embassy who via the Diplomatic Alchemy
of handing them a passport will turn Kim
and the other girls from North Koreans
to South Koreans but even on the home
stretch to her own Freedom which granted
his Tha jail Kim is just realizing the
actual cost of her Escape may be her
family's
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lives
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now I grew up at the end of the Cold War
which was essentially America and its
allies had half of the world and the
Soviet Union and its allies had the
other half both countries had massive
nuclear arsenals and for 50 years stood
toe-to-toe on the brink of allout war
the only thing that really held them
back was mad otherwise known as mutually
assured destruction quite simply put if
if one side launches an attack so does
the other and the final result is We All
Die end of story and because the end of
the world was such a good deterrent the
Cold War ended peacefully in
1991 however the lunacy of mutually
assured destruction didn't go away at
all it just relocated the most dangerous
place in the world today I think you
could argue is the Indian
subcontinent and the line of control and
cashmir now Kashmir has been in the news
a lot lately with escalating tensions
between India and Pakistan so we went to
kashmir's line of control to see just
how bad this conflict is
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getting
Pakistan
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Pakistan we're here at Pakistan right
there is India and this is the most
dangerous Border in the world
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there is a danger of B between India and
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Pakistan India cannot attack us because
of the bomb Everyone is always talking
about Pakistan's nuclear capabilities
and everyone is terrified by them but uh
we also have nuclear
capabilities that must not happen
because the alternative is a subcon that
no longer
exists India and Pakistan really really
hate each other now this antagonism
started when Mahatma Gandhi finally
succeeded in gaining independence from
Great Britain and in the ensuing chaos
of building a new state India's Muslims
insisted on creating their own country
as a consequence millions of Hindus and
siks fled to India and simultaneously
millions of India's Muslims migrated to
the newly cre Pakistan now during this
partition tens of millions of people
were relocated and in the process over a
million people on both sides of the
migration were murdered in brutal
religious violence India and Pakistan
have been fighting ever since the flasho
of this lingering conflict is Kashmir a
mostly Muslim region that is partially
occupied by the Indian State and you
don't have to be in Kashmir long to
realize that emotions are running
extremely high as was explained to us by
a kir political leader Z Ali sha
jalani I will tell you without any
hesitation that we are facing the worst
kind of state terrorism under the
occupation of Indian forces and killing
by the police and by the communal forces
in continuous process this is all
consequences of for occupation we wanted
to talk to these pole Mill forces so we
went North to the highly militarized
area closer to the Border this is one of
the main entrances from Pakistan into
India it's one of the most heavily
militarized zones in all of India
because of the geographical feature and
the demographics of the area right they
have found a very soft corner here and
right conducive environment for the
flourishing the reason why this is such
a militant super highway is because a
it's so close to Pakistan B the terrain
makes it almost impossible to police and
C because Pakistan continues to train
militants and sneak them into India with
the sole intent to destabilize the
region so the line of control is not the
Border it's not a border no it's a
temporary Arrangement between India and
Pakistan so if they get through the line
of control then you have to catch them
when they hit the hinterland then it
becomes our job eliminating the
terrorists and who's training them
reportedly isi and the Pakistan Army so
the Pakistan Army and the isi are
training insurgents then sneaking them
into India to create great unrest Terror
unrest and carry on Insurgency India has
good reason to fear these Pakistani
based terrorists because in 2008 they
attacked Mumbai and killed 106 people
wounded hundreds more and held the city
hostage for more than 60 hours Indians
refer to it as their
9/11 now our 911 got us so riled up that
we invaded both Iraq and Afghanistan
starting two brutal and bloody wars the
reaction in India was nearly as intense
and very very anti-pakistan with tens of
thousands taken to the streets calling
for allout war remarkably the Indian
government showed her strength and did
not attack Pakistan in retaliation but
tensions between the two countries
remain severely strained as was
explained to us by a leading Indian
defense expert AI Sani Pakistan
continues to be the Principal supporter
of a range of terrorist organizations
mobilized on the basis of an islamist
extremist ideology and and the fact that
it is backed by the state apparatus of
Pakistan is what makes it so dangerous
for
India now technically Kashmir falls into
the legal claim for India it is
challenged on the basis of a
majoritarian principle by Pakistan
saying that this is a Muslim majority
State and that Muslims cannot live with
other communities I country I
country I don't think India Pakistan
relations have any future I think this
enemity is and will remain irreducible
until Pakistan under go a complete
cultural transformation and I do not
believe that there is anything within
the Dynamics of Pakistan that can
facilitate such a trans so we're going
up into the Himalayas now this road
leads to the loc the line of control
there's a very hot Zone and we're hoping
someone doesn't lob a grenade into our
open and actually as I was stupidly
making jokes about someone throwing
grenades at us a real terrorist threat
was detected and counterterrorist
procedures were immediately
implemented we have got information
regarding presence of some militants
here so we cover all the areas from
where we can possibly draw some fire are
let's go let's
go so there's a lot of terrorists coming
exactly it is the main infiltration
route as you can see the terrain is
unmanageable right very steep slopes
very dense forest and they make use of
this geography and they sneak in from
here how do they get across I think it's
sheer motivation on their part and the
brainwashing that is done in the camps
after we were given the all clear we
continued on our way to the Indian side
of the line of
control over there is Pakistan this is
the line of control while going over to
the bridge we had to take off our
military gear because it's seen as an
insult there's Rangers over there
trained they said if you go out on the
bridge and you go one step too far
they'll shoot you now to us it seemed
all very quiet and peaceful for
supposedly the most heavy place on Earth
but then our Indian guards pointed out
all the bunkers and positions that the
Pakistani Rangers had set up on the
mountains and we were like oh so there's
bunkers all over there at 12:00 oh I see
there yeah they have guns they got
everything so this is the zero line
right here in between India and
Pakistan if I go on that side I can say
goodbye to my
toes I'm not going to go on that
side you wouldn't think it's one of the
most dangerous borders in the world
because when you look up it's just
shockingly
beautiful so India has nearly a million
troops in cashmir and a massive nuclear
Arsenal pointed at Pakistan and after
the Mumbai attacks have bowed quite
publicly never again but the isi and the
Pakistani army keep sending insurgents
across the border with the sole purpose
of causing chaos within India and they
send them almost every
day now this constant badgering seems
insane so we went to Pakistan to see
firsthand while they seem so hellbent on
continuing this conflict the first
person we talked to when we arrived was
Dr pz hoodboy a leading nuclear
scientist and what he told us didn't
make us feel any better you have
Pakistan openly training and sending in
uh militants into Kashmir and you have
the Indians who if they suffer another
Mumbai saying we don't know if we can
hold back what do you think about that
well what you're saying is a doomsday
scenario that uh okay nuclear weapons
then come into play but
let me say that the Indian uh
establishment does realize that a war
with Pakistan this time would be
devastating it would be fatal
catastrophic for both countries which
brings us to the growing radicalization
within Pakistan there is still a lot of
anti-indian feeling within the Pakistani
military it's it's seen as something
that's very unifying so the radicals and
the ordinary officers and Men they are
united in this that yes India's our
enemy until we get out of this it's
going to be is is going to get worse
most countries of the world have armies
Pakistan has an army that has a country
and it is now in terrible trouble it is
being attacked by the jihadis which it
helped create the General headquarters
of the Pakistan Army has been attacked
three isi centers have been blown up by
suicide bombers and this was done using
Insider information so radicalization is
now eating into its very marrow
according to Dr hoodboy what is even
more troubling than the radicalization
within the Army is that the Pakistani
state is actually losing control over
huge swaths of its own territory he
recommended we go to some of these areas
to see for ourselves just how bad things
have got so we headed to Northwest
Frontier Province the home of the
Pakistani
Taliban we're leaving the Bader for now
which used to be in 2008 the only part
of the whole area that the Pakistani
army controlled just the fort now just
to be clear when we say the Pakistani
army only controlled the fort that means
that the rest of the province was
controlled by the
Taliban there's machine Gunners on every
building along our route which makes me
a bit worried that they say that
everything's under
control this was the uh Hub of the
terrorist talibans right they were
living over there and they were
dominating this entire Village they
would be training here and then if
anything happened they could hide in the
caves that's right so we're going to go
in the caves now oh Jesus can you see
very small entrance It Is by Design but
so they dug these caves yes they dug
these caves that's a lot of work yes
there was a lot of work and how many
cave complexes like this are there
dozens of such complexes exist it's like
when they used to say in America yeah
yeah that they couldn't find Osama Bin
Laden because he was in caves we didn't
understand what caves how yeah know you
might cuz for us a cave is like a you
know with a bear in it but these are
tunnels and whole complexes well knitted
together well knit together yeah now the
Taliban have been operating in Pakistan
for quite some time in fact the quote
unquote father of the Taliban is
actually a Pakistani General named
hammed ghoul who is once head of the isi
which is kind of like the FBI the the
CIA and the NSA all rolled into one
which made him at one point one of the
most powerful men in Pakistan now his
views on the radicalization of the army
were quite unexpected as he quickly
brought all of these seemingly internal
problems right back to the conflict with
India the Army is being pushed around
and it is losing its direction America
is forcing us to shift our forces from
the eastern border to the Western border
it's called reversing the front M that
there is the enemy but you reverse to
your friend so there is the enemy India
but we're reversing to our friend which
friend towards Afghanistan yeah you've
been called the father of the Taliban
because you helped set up the jihadis
who would fight against the Soviets but
of course the jihadis I supported them
Usama bin ladan was a very sort of a
genial kind of a man a bit shy
intelligence oozed out of his eyes
flashing black eyes you know was oozed
out of his eyes after the Mumbai attack
there was such a huge sort of
nationalistic outpouring in India aren't
you worried that if you keep sending
militants into Kashmir or something that
there'll be another attack Kashmir is a
festering swore for us since 1971 there
was several occasions when there was a
cause for war but they didn't do this
because they know what will be the price
what will be the price they can't attack
us because we are nuclear yeah and they
can't attack us because we are imbued
with the spirit of jihad right which has
defeated two superpowers in our
neighborhood and without settling the
Kashmir dispute the peace cannot return
to subcontinent right India or Pakistan
so I think Indians must come to their
senses they are not understanding the
course of history after talking to
General ghoul we thought things in
cashmir were bad enough recently a new
wrinkle is surface in this ongoing
conflict that new wrinkle is
water
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if Casmir is majority of Pakistan's
water if Kashmir is the majority of
India's water it's already highly
politicized it's the most milit ized
area in the world what are your thoughts
on that look this country was 27 million
when it came into existence in
1947 today it is almost 200 million it's
leading to water becoming a very scarce
resource and these are the things that
we really have to be afraid of you have
this sort of political Perfect Storm of
Pakistan radicalizing and then India at
the same time sort of hardening up we
might be able to get some kind of a hand
on our disputes water is something that
you need and something we need and so
let's figure out a decent way of of
doing this without going to war nobody
is going to give away a piece of land
and a people just because somebody else
asks for
it like what is the worst case scenario
what what what what happens you know
well the worst case scenario is what
Carl Sean told us a long time ago the
planet will no longer be blue anymore do
you do you think that Pakistan is in a
state of denial Oh yes most certainly
it's in a state of denial and there is
absolutely no guarantee that it will
come out of this if one had been used
then you can bet that all of them would
be used if there is an attack I I have
no doubt in my mind there would have to
be nuclear retaliation everyone seems to
think that it's more a question of when
not of
whether India and Pakistan have hundreds
of warheads pointing at each other and
things just seem to be going from bad to
worse now the problem with this is that
if India and Pakistan go to war it
doesn't just mean the destruction of the
subcontinent because leading Atomic
experts have categorically stated that
if over a 100 Warheads are detonated
anywhere on Earth it means the
destruction of the world as we know
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whole mountains of ice are just falling
into the
sea we're in for trouble
indeed this is where the Soviets tested
all their weapons this is the epicenter
of a nuclear bomb in the last 6 months
we had 9,000
IED that's an
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IED
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once you get someone in they can never
leave even police helicopters don't dare
fly over here cuz two years ago one was
shot down by an anti-aircraft gun fun
place to
live okay let's get out of
here