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WHERE PEOPLE STAND. LAST NIGHT, BIDEN, HARRIS AND
SOME OTHER DEMOCRATS CLEARLY
STOOD IN A DIFFERENT PLACE THAN
OBAMA OR CLINTON WHEN IT COMES
TO HOW TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM
OR THE CHALLENGE OF THE
UNDOCUMENTED.
UNDOCUMENTED. TAKE THIS MOMENT THAT’S GETTING
A LOT OF PLAY.
ASKED FOR A SHOW OF HANDS GIVING
HEALTH COVERAGE TO UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS IN THE U.S., ALL TEN
RAISED THEIR HANDS AGREEING TO
PROVIDE THAT KIND OF COVERAGE.
>> OUR COUNTRY IS HEALTHIER WHEN
EVERYBODY IS HEALTHIER.
>> YOU CANNOT LET PEOPLE WHO ARE
SICK NO MATTER WHERE THEY COME
FROM, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR
STATUS UNCOVERED.
STATUS UNCOVERED. >> THEY PAY SALES TAXES, THEY
PAY PROPERTY TAXES.
>> THEY INCREASE THE LIFE SPAN
OF SOCIAL SECURITY BECAUSE THEY
HAVE A JOB AND PAYING SOCIAL
SECURITY TAX.
SECURITY TAX. >> THIS IS NOT ABOUT A HANDOUT.
THIS IS AN INSURANCE PROGRAM.
>> I’M JOINED BY JESS MORALES,
THE CHAIR OF THE IMMIGRATION
RIGHTS GROUP FAMILIES BELONG
TOGETHER AND EDITOR AT LARGE FOR
THE LIBERTARIAN REASON MAGAZINE
MATT WELSH.
MATT WELSH. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> YOU WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT’S
A SHIFT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY.
PARTY. >> BIG SHIFT.
>> WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
>> IT’S A BIG MOMENT IN THIS
PARTY THEY WERE WILLING TO ALL
RAISE THEIR HANDS.
SOME OF THEM I THINK IT WENT UP
A LITTLE SLOWER THAN OTHERS.
THE FACT THAT EVERY SINGLE
CANDIDATE ON THAT STAGE WHO
REPRESENT A SPECTRUM OF
IMMIGRATION IDEAS WAS READY TO
SUPPORT UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS
AS A TESTAMENT TO THE ORGANIZING
AND THEM LISTENING TO THAT.
>> IT’S VERY DIFFERENT AS
MENTIONED FROM THE PREVIOUS
PRESIDENTS.
PRESIDENTS. IT HAS BECOME VERY COMMON IN
POLITICS TO SORT OF SAY,
ANYTHING THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH
IS IMMORAL OR EVIL.
THAT PUTS A LOT OF DEMOCRATS IN
A BIND BECAUSE THIS WAS THE
OBAMA POSITION.
OBAMA POSITION. MAYBE HE WAS WRONG.
MAYBE YOU DISAGREE WITH HIM.
IS IT EVIL?
TAKE A LOOK AT PAST DEMOCRATIC
PRESIDENTS.
PRESIDENTS. >> IT IS WRONG AND ULTIMATELY
SELF-DEFEATING FOR A NATION OF
IMMIGRANTS TO PERMIT THE KIND OF
ABUSE OF OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS WE
HAVE SEEN IN RECENT YEARS AND WE
MUST DO MORE TO STOP IT.
>> DO NOT SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO
THE BORDERS.
THE BORDERS. IF THEY DO MAKE IT, THEY’LL GET
SENT BACK.
SENT BACK. >> UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS BROKE
OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS.
I BELIEVE THEY MUST BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE.
ACCOUNTABLE. >> WHETHER HE PRESIDENT OBAMA
WAS TALKING ABOUT
ACCOUNTABILITY, HE WAS NOT
TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE FOR
ALL.
ALL. >> CORRECT.
>> CORRECT. TEN YEARS AGO, AS YOU RECALL, IN
A FAMOUS MOMENT, HE GAVE A
SPEECH TO A JOINT SESSION OF
CONGRESS WHICH CONGRESSIONAL
REPUBLICANS SHOUTED YOU LIE.
IT IS ABOUT WEATHER OBAMACARE IS
GOING TO BE GIVEN TO ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANTS.
IMMIGRANTS. THEY SAY YOU LIE.
NOW TEN DEMOCRATS ARE TAKING
THIS POSITION.
THIS POSITION. THIS IS A REMARKABLE SHIFT.
THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE
REMARKABLE HISTORY IN AMERICAN
PUBLIC OPINION TOWARDS
IMMIGRATION.
IMMIGRATION. 2005, I THINK BY SOME TOTAL OF
LIKE 63-38 OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT, AMERICANS SAID IMMIGRANTS
ARE NOT A NET POSITIVE IN THIS
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. THAT HAS SHIFTED BY 50
PERCENTAGE POINTS.
PERCENTAGE POINTS. SOME OF THIS IS AN ANTI-TRUMP
EFFECT, SOME WE’VE SEEN A LOT OF
ANTI-IMMIGRATION POLITICS
ANTI-IMMIGRATION POLITICS INCLUDING HEAVILY MITT ROMNEY.
THERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
DEMOCRATS TO BE ON THE SIDE OF
BROAD PUBLIC OPINION.
HEALTH CARE, OBAMACARE, MEDICARE
FOR ALL FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS,
I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S GOING TO
GO THERE.
GO THERE. A LARGE SWATHE OF THE COUNTRY
HAVE SAID IN THE PAST I’M NOT
SURE ABOUT WELFARE BENEFITS TO
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. >> IS IT A SUSTAINABLE ADDITION
TO THE CURRENT SYSTEM IN BOTH OF
YOUR VIEWS?
YOUR VIEWS? >> ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND
IMMIGRANTS AT LARGE TAKE LESS OF
SOCIAL WELFARE BENEFITS THAN
NATIVE BORN AMERICANS ON
AVERAGE, PERIOD, RIGHT?
SO IT’S NOT GOING TO BE THE
THING THAT TIPS US INTO
BANKRUPTCY.
BANKRUPTCY. THERE’S PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS
TAKE AGUS THERE.
HOWEVER IN AN ERA WHERE
DEMOCRATS ARE NOT SHOWING MUCH
SENSE OF ANY KIND OF LIMITATIONS
WHAT THE GOVERNMENT AND WELFARE
STATE CAN PROVIDE, IT’S VERY
RISKY POLITICALLY AND IN TERMS
OF THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY
OF THE WELFARE STATE.
>> WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IS
MEDICARE FOR ALL WHICH IS
EXTREMELY POPULAR.
EXTREMELY POPULAR. A POSITION ESPECIALLY IN THE
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. AND THAT REALLY MEANS FOR ALL.
UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE
CONTRIBUTORS TO OUR ECONOMY IN
MORE WAYS THAN ONE INCLUDING
LEAVING A SURPLUS WHAT THEY PAY
IN SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAXES.
>> YOU MAY BELIEVE THAT
GENUINELY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE
MAY THINK THAT’S A GREAT IDEA.
IT’S MY JOB TO SAY.
>> IT’S GENUINELY TRUE THEY
LEAVE A SURPLUS.
>> I MEAN THE PART ABOUT
MEDICARE FOR ALL.
>> TRADITIONALLY MEDICARE FOR
ALL REFERS TO DOMESTIC LEGAL
RESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES.
THE NOTION THAT YOU’RE GOING TO
BOTH PATROL THE BORDER TO
PREVENT UNDOCUMENTED CROSSINGS
BUT IF PEOPLE MAKE IT THERE’S
GOING TO BE BENEFITS IS A
DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.
DIFFERENT STRUCTURE. >> WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT TPS
AND DAK CAG HERE FOR 20 OR 30
YEARS, THEY DESERVE HEALTH CARE.
>> WHAT ABOUT SOMEONE HERE ONE
DAY.
DAY. >> THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL IN
DETENTION BECAUSE OF TRUMP’S
IMMIGRATION POLICY.
IMMIGRATION POLICY. >> I GET YOU, HOLD ON.
YOU JUST SHIFTED THOUGH.
I SHIFTED.
I SHIFTED. WE’VE CON A LOT OF REPORTING ON
THE INHUMANITY OF THE DETENTION
POLICY.
POLICY. THE NOTION THAT THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY’S JUST JUMPING INTO THE
POSITION OF YOU CROSS THE BORDER
FOR A DAY, YOU GET OUT, YOU’RE
UNDOCUMENTED, YOU GET HEALTH
CARE.
CARE. THAT’S DIFFERENT, NO?
>> TOTALLY.
>> TOTALLY. I WOULD SAY ON DAY TWO OF AN
IMMIGRANT CROSSING OVER, THEY’RE
NOT 100% COMING UP WITH THEIR
INSURANCE CARD.
INSURANCE CARD. THEY’RE STILL WORRIED ABOUT
EATING, HAVING A PLACE TO STAY.
PROBABLY STILL IN THE SHELTER
AND MAYBE SLEEPING ON A CHURCH
FLOOR.
FLOOR. I DON’T THINK THAT’S A CONCERN
WE NEED TO HAVE.
IT’S CHEAPER TO PROVIDE THEM
HEALTH CARE THAN IT IS TO DETAIN
THEM IN DETENTION CENTERS EVERY
SINGLE DAY.
SINGLE DAY. THIS IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
>> REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE
RUNNING AGAINST DEMOCRATS
PRAYING PORE THEM TO GO FULL
SOCIALIST BECAUSE THEY CAN RALLY
THE TROOPS AND INDEPENDENTS.
THIS WILL BE SEEN BY REPUBLICANS
IN QUITE A FEW INDEPENDENTS AS
DEMOCRATS ARE NOT GOING TO LOOK
IN THE FACE OF REALITY AND OF
HUGE GOVERNMENT AND SAY ANYTHING
BUT MORE, PLEASE.
>> DOES IT MATTER IN YOUR VIEW,
THAT IT’S SUCH A REVERSAL OF THE
OBAMA ERA OR YOU SEE THE
POLITICS HAVING COMPLETELY
SHIFTED.
SHIFTED. >> IN THE TRUMP ERA, THINGS ARE
TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT. PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS PRETTY HARD
LINE ON IMMIGRATION FOR A
DEMOCRAT.
DEMOCRAT. IT’S GOOD WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS
HAVING A MORE HUMANE IMMIGRATION
POLICY.
POLICY. THAT’S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO
TREAT PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY AND
RESPECT.
RESPECT. >> YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK IS
GOOD?
GOOD? WE JUST HAD A FULL POLICY
CONFERS GROWING OUT OF THE