>>> YOU NEVER KNOW JUST HOW
WHITE INTERNATIONALNATIONALISTS
WHITE NATIONALIST FOR THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
IN 2019, CONGRESSMAN STEVE KING
SAID, HOW DID THAT LANGUAGE
BECOME OFFENSIVE?
THOSE COMMENTS AND A LENGTHY
HISTORY OF SIMILAR STATEMENTS,
HE WAS STRIPPED OF HIS COMMITTEE
ASSIGNMENTS AND SUCCESSFULLY
PRIMARIED BY A REPUBLICAN
CHALLENGER.
HES NO LONGER IN CONGRESS.
YOU WOULD THINK THAT WOULD SERVE
AS A KIND OF DETERRENT TO
OTHERS, THAT OUR COUNTRY IS BORN
OF ITS HERITAGE IN THE
ANGLO-SAXON HERITAGE, YADDA
YADDA.
THEN THE NEWS THAT TAYLOR GREENE
AND GOSAR WERE FORMING AN
AMERICA FIRST CAUCUS, NOT FAR
FROM WHAT KING AND DONALD
TRUMPS FORMER AIDE STEPHEN
MILLER SAID.
AND KEVIN McCARTHY SAID THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY IS THE PARTY OF
LINCOLN.
OKAY.
THAT SENT THE AMERICA FIRST
CAUCUS SCRAMBLING TO WALK IT ALL
BACK.
PAUL GOSAR SAID HE DID NOT
AUTHOR THE DOCUMENT, AND BECAME
AWARE OF IT ONLY WHEN IT WAS
REPORTED BY THE NEWS MEDIA.
AND MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE
SAYING IT WAS A STAFF LEVEL
PROPOSAL THAT I HADNT READ.
NICK SHERMAN BROKE THE STORY,
HES THE FOUNDER OF PUNCHBOWL
NEWS, AND HE JOINS ME NOW.
FIRST, WHAT IS THIS DOCUMENT,
AND WHO WROTE IT?
>> CHRIS, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
THATS A GOOD QUESTION.
BUT WHEN WE WENT, LET ME CLARIFY
A FEW THINGS.
WHEN WE WENT TO MARJORIE TAYLOR
GREENES OFFICE, THEIR FIRST
COMMENT WAS SOMETHING ALONG THE
LINES OF, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE
LEAKED THIS TO YOU GUYS.
AND WELL LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE
HAVE A FINAL VERKSSION OF THIS.
THEY DID NOT DENY ITS
AUTHENTICITY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE,
OR FORM.
PAUL GOSAR, WE HAD GONE TO HIS
STAFF AND CONTACTED THEM.
AND THEY HAD THIS.
AND WE POSTED IT ONLINE, WE
CERTAINLY WERENT TRYING TO HIDE
THIS DOCUMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, LISTEN.
THEY WERE CREATING THIS CAWUCUSC
THIS WAS MATERIAL LINKED TO THIS
CAUCUS
CAUCUS.
WE NEVER REPORTED THEY WERE THE
ONES THAT DRAFTED IT.
BUT THIS WAS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE
DOCUMENT TO HAVE NOTHING TO DO
WITH IT, AFTER KEVIN McCARTHY
CAME OUT AGAINST IT.
>> MATT GAETZ CELEBRATED IT, HE
TWEETED, OH, I WANT TO GET IN ON
THAT ACTION.
THATS BEFORE THE McCARTHY
TWEET.
AND THE PAUL GOSAR HISTORY, IT WAS REALLY NOTABLE.
WAS REALLY NOTABLE.
HE WAS AT THIS SORT OF ALT-RIGHT
VERSION OF CPAC.
THE AMERICA FIRST POLITICAL
ACTION CONFERENCE, HE SAYS IF
AMERICA LOSES ITS WHITE
DEMOGRAPHIC CORE, ITS FAITH IN
JESUS CHRIST, ITS NOT AMERICA
ANYMORE.
THIS IS PART OF GOSARS BELIEF
SYSTEM, APPARENTLY.
>> ALSO, TO PUT A FINER POINT ON
IT, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE OVER
THE WEEKEND TWEETED, SHE SAID I
HAD TAKEN FAKE JAKE SHERMAN, SHE
CALLED ME.
WHICH DOES HAVE A NICE CADENCE.
SHE SAID I HAD TAKEN HER WORDS
OUT OF CONTEXT AND MISCONSTRUED
THEM AS RACIST.
WE DIDNT CALL THEM RACIST OR
TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT.
SORRY, SHE SAID I TOOK
ANGLO-SAXON OUT OF CONTEXT AND
MADE IT SEEM RACIST.
WE POSTED THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.
IT WAS NOT OUT OF CONTEXT.
IM NOT GOING TO TRY TO MAKE
SENSE OF WHAT SHES SAYING.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THOUGH.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STORY,
BECAUSE AS YOU INDICATED IN YOUR
OPENING, THIS THE FUNDAMENTAL TO
AN IDENTITY THAT IS DEEP WITHIN
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE
HOUSE AT THIS POINT.
AND YOURE SEEING PEOPLE RALLY
TO MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENES
DEFENSE.
ITS VERY IMPORTANT STUFF.
>> AND I WAS SURPRISED BY
McCARTHYS REACTION.
THATS USUALLY NOT THE WAY HE
GOES ON THIS STUFF.
USUALLY, I DONT KNOW, HE TENDS
TO BE A PASSIVE AND REACTIVE
DUDE.
I WOULD NOT HAVE BET THAT HE
WOULD HAVE TRIED TO DO THAT.
WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THE TWEET?
>> I WASNT, BECAUSE IVE BEEN
COVERING McCARTHY FOR MORE THAN
A DECADE, AND WROTE A BOOK IN
WHICH HE WAS A CHARACTER.
HE WOULD HAVE SAID, IS THERE A
CONSTITUENCY THAT WOULD GO ALONG
WITH THIS?
I THINK HE BELIEVES THIS IS
WRONG, BUT THE WAY HE VIEWS
THIS, THIS IS ABHORRENT TO ME,
KEVIN McCARTHY, AND WILL BE
ABHORRENT TO ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT
I CAN COME OUT AND DUMP ON IT.
THATS HOW I ASSUME HE WOULD THINK ABOUT THIS.
THINK ABOUT THIS.
>> AND STEVE SCALISE, JUST AN
IMPORTANT POINT HERE.
IVE COVERED THE FAR RIGHT AND
THIS LINE OF THINKING FOR 20
YEARS.
THIS IS ALL VERY FAMILIAR.
THE IDEA THAT THE 1965
IMMIGRATION LAW REFORM, AN
IMPORTANT DISTINCTION BETWEEN
1965 AND PREVIOUS WAVES OF
SETTLERS
SETTLERS DID NOT STAY IN THE
COUNTRY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE
NATIVE-BORN.
IT TALKS ABOUT PAUSES IN
IMMIGRATION, WHICH IS A BIG
CAUSE CELEBRE.
WEEDING OUT THOSE WHO REFUSE TO
ABANDON THEIR PREVIOUS LOYALTIES
AND PLUNGE HEADFIRST INTO
AMERICAN SOCIETY.
POST 1965 IMMIGRATION IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR TENS OF MILLIONS
OF PEOPLE.
SOME OF WHOM ARE CONSERVATIVE,
VOTE REPUBLICAN, LIKE KEVIN
McCARTHY.
>> BY THE WAY, MANY OF WHOM ARE
CONSERVATIVE, AND REPUBLICANS
CAN THANK THEM FOR HAVING A
COUPLE OF SEATS IN SOUTH
FLORIDA.
MANY CUBAN IMMIGRANTS WHO HAVE
GIVEN THEM SEVERAL SEATS IN THAT
PART OF THE STATE.
AND THEYRE CONSERVATIVE VOTERS
AND THEY REPRESENT A PART OF
THEIR CONSTITUENCY.
AND THEY DONT WANT IMMIGRANTS,
OR THEY WASNT TO WEED OUT
PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WILLING TO
ASSIMILATE.
CHRIS, YOU THINK 20 YEARS AGO,
TO THE GEORGE BUSH ERA.
WHERE THAT KIND OF RHETORIC,
EVEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS, YOU
DIDNT EVEN HEAR THAT STUFF.
>> AND THE PIVOT THAT DONALD
TRUMP HIMSELF MADE DOWN THE
STRETCH OF THE LAST TWO OR THREE
MONTHS OF THE CAMPAIGN.
WHEN HE REDUCED HOW MUCH HE
TALKED ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
HAD THE BIG CITIZENSHIP WEARING
IN CEREMONY IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
IN THE RNC, RAN SPANISH LANGUAGE
ADS IN SOUTH FLORIDA, AND DID
PRETTY DECENTLY ALONG THE RIO
GRANDE IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
THERES SOME RECENT PRECEDENT TO
POINT TO HERE.
BUT THIS IS NOT GOING AWAY, I