do you think the
2030 agenda is achievable I mean we talk
about 13 years here and we have a Europe
which is not United in certain ideas and
uh we have a raising of populism uh
throughout the world is it still just
like we have a plan but don't take us
for granted well the goals from a
technical uh Financial economic
organizational point of view are
certainly achievable uh in that in a
world that is as rich as the one we have
after all the average output per man
woman and child on this planet is nearly
$177,000 right now so what are we doing
with this poverty uh that's just a
matter of some
organization will we achieve them
that really depends on uh whether we're
able to focus Trump is absolutely
harmful for this there's no question
does that mean that Europe has to uh
have the same disarray no uh Trump could
be a signal to Europe time to have
Europe with its own coherent policies
time to step up that's what Chancellor
Merkel has said for example uh because
there's kind of a certain
uh sense well we can always rely on the
United States no this is not possible uh
so you have Europe that should Step Up
definitely you have China which is
stepping up okay that's an important new
partner uh in all of this uh then take
the Middle East for example Saudi Arabia
says we're going to buy $ 110 billion
dollars of weapons from the US my
question are you kidding that's what
you're going to do with $110 billion how
about helping your people how about
helping a region that's suffering from
drought that has major environmental
challenges where the kids are not
getting a quality education how about
solving the war in Syria and in and in
other places Iraq and so forth through
peaceful development means why spend $10
billion on Advanced weapon systems why
not solve real problems so this is a
mindset issue of course Trump oh we're
going to sell all those weapons that's
jobs jobs jobs that's crazy by the way
because you can make jobs in uh making
medicines and bednets and diagnostic
equipment and community health workers
you don't have to have jobs making
weapons that kill people so we need
to get our heads around this that we're
making bad choices that we so rich that
we could solve problems that we have
promised to do so and by the way not let
the Donald Trumps of the world who are
the negative forces have their way
because most of the world actually wants
peace decency health education and we
have the resources to accomplish that
but where do you see Europe's role there
because as you can see populism is
growing in Europe as well I don't think
so uh I don't think pop ism is growing
uh if anything it's on the decline uh
macron's victory in France was a
decisive Landslide Victory I would say
the uh populace forces in Germany from
all uh accounts are on the decline right
now uh this is very good news uh Gert
Wilders who was uh the Dutch populist uh
lost badly good uh
and the moderate forces in the
Netherlands won decisively so I I don't
believe that populism is on the rise I
think it's a force to be reckoned with
uh and I think that part of the answer
is uh uh Clarity part of the answer is
end these stupid Wars so that the
refugees don't keep coming to Europe
because that is destabilizing but solve
that problem by stopping Wars like Libya
Iraq Syria Afghanistan where the United
States made a mess frankly uh so this is
another part of the choice I I wouldn't
say that uh we're losing that battle uh
I'd say in the United States we have our
hands full though uh because there we
have a dangerous and populist president
uh who
is really making a massive International
relations and um there this is a real
political fight ahead how would you
foresee the the situation in the world
within America as it is right now
politically unstable uh when it comes to
foreign relations and also not really um
directed into the future when it comes
to the industry to the social systems um
and to labor market policies well
America's a very complicated uh Society
and a complicated political system we
have 50 states uh the governor of
California was just with President Xi
Jinping uh in Beijing uh talking about
cooperation between China and California
uh in uh climate change if California
were an independent country it would be
one of the biggest economies of the
whole world so this is a a big deal I I
live on the east coast of the United
States this is not Trump territory uh
well it's where he has some of his
towers and and residents but now where
he has his votes uh and uh the country
is very diverse when Trump pulled out of
uh Paris uh hundreds of uh Governors
Mayors uh University presidents said no
way we continue we're going to make a
pledge uh our former mayor New York City
uh Michael Bloomberg uh handed a uh list
of signatures from across America saying
we're going to continue to honor the
commitments to reduce emissions that
President Obama had set and that
included many of the major States and
many of the major cities in public uh
approval ratings Trump is uh
consistently below 40% of of the public
uh so I believe that we're in
a real political battle this is real
politics I I don't think that Trump's
views are in any way shape or form the
majority views of the American people uh
and in this sense uh those of us who
disagree strongly with him have a
political role to play as Citizens to
say no uh we believe in the world system
we believe in fighting climate change we
believe in helping the poor we don't
believe in tax cuts for your Chrome iies
uh we believe you should disclose your
uh
tax because we think you're filled with
conflict of interest uh so that's our
our political fight but for the rest of
the world don't lose all your time and
all your sleep on this you've got work
to do thank you very much thank you very
much thanks thanks a lot