TRUMP SAID YOU HAVE TO ASK RUDY. WE ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER VERY
SPECIAL PROGRAMMING TONIGHT.
WE BEGIN WITH THE
IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATORS
IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATORS GETTING SPECIFIC.
GETTING SPECIFIC. THE INTEL COMMITTEE HAS BEEN IN
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. IT’S LIKE THE FBI DOING
INTERVIEWS OR GATHERING FACTS.
MOMENTS AGO SCHIFF’S COMMITTEE
HAS SHOWN HOW FAR THEY HAVE COME
BECAUSE THEY JUST RELEASED THE
FINAL INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS.
THERE’S ALREADY A NEW REVELATION
THAT WE’LL GET TO TONIGHT.
A BUDGET OFFICE ATTORNEY
RESIGNING OVER THE ENTIRE
UKRAINE BUDGET SCANDAL WHICH IS
PART OF THE UKRAINE BRIBERY
PLOT.
PLOT. THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL
PICK UP THIS CASE AND THEY ARE
MORE LIKE THE PROSECUTOR.
EVALUATING THE FACTS, GATHERING
THE EVIDENCE AND APPLYING THE
LAW.
LAW. YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT LIKE
THIS, A PROSECUTOR DECIDES
WHETHER THERE’S EVIDENCE AND LAW
TO SUPPORT CHARGES IF YOU ARE
SUSPECTED OF COMMITTING A CRIME.
THE PRESIDENT, IN THE RARE CASES
IT’S THE HOUSE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE THAT FIRST DECIDES IF
THE CONSTITUTION SUGGESTS THE
PRESIDENT COMMITTED A HIGH
CRIME.
CRIME. BE THAT SOMETHING GENERAL LIKE
ABUSE OF POWER OR A SPECIFIC
OFFENSE LIKE TREASON OR BRIBERY.
LATE TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME,
THE PERSON WHO LEADS THAT EFFORT
IN ASSESSING THE PRESIDENT’S MY
CONDUCT, JERRY NADLER LAYING OUT
HOW THEY WILL DO JUST THAT.
HE’S ANNOUNCED THE FIRST HEARING
ON DECEMBER 4th.
THIS IS RIGHT WHEN CONGRESS GETS
BACK FROM THANKSGIVING BREAK.
THEY WILL BEGIN THE PROCESS OF
ASSESSING ALL OF THIS BOMBSHELL
EVIDENCE AND CONSIDER WHETHER TO
DRAFT ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT
AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP.
THIS COMMITTEE WILL BE WEIGHING
WHETHER TO IMPEACH AND IF SO,
HOW.
HOW. DO YOU DO ONE OR SEVERAL?
DO YOU BRING IN THE OTHER
ALLEGED OFFENSES BY DONALD
TRUMP?
TRUMP? HE BLUFFED HIS WAY THROUGH A LOT
OF THE MUELLER PROBE BY CLAIMING
HE WOULD TALK TO MUELLER BUT HE
NEVER DID.
NEVER DID. THERE WERE THE FAMOUS WRITTEN
ANSWERS.
ANSWERS. TONIGHT I CAN REPORT TO YOU THAT
NADLER IS CALLING THAT BLUFF
RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE INVITING
DONALD TRUMP OR HIS LAWYER TO
ATTEND THE HEARING OR QUESTION
WITNESSES.
WITNESSES. HE
HE THE OFFER IS NOT NEW BECAUSE
UNDER THOSE RULES THAT SPEAKER
PELOSI AND THE HOUSE PASSED
TRUMP LAWYERS WERE INVITED.
THIS IS NOT JUST TALK.
CONSIDER THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON
TOOK UP THE HOUSE ON THEIR OFFER
FOR HIS LAWYER TO PARTICIPATE.
HIS PERSONAL LAWYER EVEN GOT TO
QUESTION THEIR LEGAL NEMESIS AT
THE HEARINGS, KEN STARR.
CLINTON DEPLOYED THE POWERFUL
WHITE HOUSE OFFICE TO APPEAR.
THERE WAS THE QUESTION OF
WHETHER THE PRESIDENT WAS
MISUSING THOSE LAWYERS.
TODAY AS WE ALL KNOW, DONALD
TRUMP’S PREVIOUS WHITE HOUSE
COUNSEL IS A STAR MUELLER
WITNESS TO ALLEGED OBSTRUCTION.
THAT’S BEEN A COURT FIGHT THIS
WEEK THE WHITE HOUSE HAS LOST
AND HIS CURRENT WHITE HOUSE
COUNSEL OFFICE STUCK IN THE
MIDDLE OF THIS UKRAINE SCANDAL
AS THE ALLEGATIONS OF A COVER UP
PILE UP.
PILE UP. GIVEN ALL THE BREAKING NEWS WHAT
I WANT TO DO IS BRING IN OUR
PANEL OF EXPERTS ON ALL OF THE
ABOVE.
ABOVE. I WANT TO WELCOME JOYCE VANCE, A
FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY AND MAYA
WILEY.
WILEY. WELCOME TO EACH OF YOU.
THERE’S SO MUCH HAPPENING NOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO ALL OF
IT.
IT. JOYCE WALK US THROUGH WHAT IT
MEANS WHEN CHAIRMAN NADLER SAID
THEY ARE ANNOUNCING THE
HEARINGS.
HEARINGS. MA
MA MAYA, I’D LIKE YOU TO WALK US
THROUGH THAT THEY HAVE BUDGET
OFFICERS RESIGNING OVER THESE
ISSUES, THE UKRAINE PLOT AND
GLEN WHEN YOU’RE UP THIRD, I
WANT YOU TO TELL US WHAT IT
MEANS THAT DONALD TRUMP IS
DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM RUDY
GIULIANI TONIGHT.
GIULIANI TONIGHT. START WITH YOU, JOYCE.
>> WE’LL BE HEADING INTO A NEW
PHASE OF THE PROCESS.
IT’S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT
WHAT NECESSITATED THE HEARINGS
IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE
WAS THERE WAS NO SPECIAL
COUNSEL.
COUNSEL. THERE WERE NO INVESTIGATORS
GATHERING FACTS.
GATHERING FACTS. THAT’S THE MISSION THEY HAVE
UNDERTAKEN.
UNDERTAKEN. THEY WILL SEND THE FACTS ALONG
WITH COLLEAGUES ON THE FOREIGN
RELATIONS COMMITTEE AND THE
OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE FOR SEW
JUDICIARY TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
IT WOULD PLAY THE ROLE THAT
LAWYERS WOULD PLAY.
ASSESSING THE FACTS.
LOOKING AT THE LAW AND MAKING A
DECISION ABOUT WHETHER THERE’S
SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO INDICT.
EXCEPT HERE THERE WON’T BE ANY
CRIMINAL CHARGES.
CRIMINAL CHARGES. THERE WILL BE A PROCESS THAT
WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT
THE PRESIDENT GETS TO KEEP HIS
JOB.
JOB. AS WE MOVE FORWARD, JUDICIARY
WILL LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AND
DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TREASON,
BRIBERY, HIGH CRIMES OR
MISDEMEANORS HAVE OCCURRED AND
IF SO, HOW TO CHARGE THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> MAYA.
>> MAYA. >> I THINK THIS IS AN EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING
REVELATION BECAUSE GOVERNMENT
LAWYERS HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO
THE PUBLIC TO THE RULE OF LAW
AND THE PUBLIC TRUST.
THEY DON’T SERVE AN INDIVIDUAL.
THEY SERVE GOVERNMENT AND THE
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. IF A LAWYER, WE HEARD FROM FIONA
HILL LAST WEEK THAT THERE WERE
LEGAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE FREEZE,
THE OMB FREEZE ON UKRAINIAN
MILITARY AID.
MILITARY AID. TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE
GOVERNMENT LAWYERS WHO BELIEVE
IT MAY HAVE BEEN UNLAWFUL, THEY
ARE OFTEN FACED WITH A CHOICE
WHICH IS EITHER TO FIGURE OUT
HOW TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES, GET
OFF THE WORK, REPORT IT AND WHES
WHISTLE BLOW THEMSELVES OR QUIT.
DO WE HAVE LAWYERS THAT ARE
FLAGGING AND UNDERMINING A
POTENTIAL DEFENSE THAT DONALD
TRUMP MIGHT ASSERT WHICH IS THE
FREEZE ON AID WAS A LEGITIMATE
POLICY DECISION THAT WAS LAWFUL
AND IF A LAWYER OR LAWYERS SAY
IT’S NOT THAT UNDERMINES HIS
DEFENSE.
DEFENSE. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. THAT GOES TO THE TWO WASHINGTON
POST STORIES.
POST STORIES. ONE LINKING THE CALL TO THE
MONEY.
MONEY. SOMETHING THAT’S BEEN LADSID OUT
IN THE HEARINGS AND TWO BREAKING
HERE LATE IN THE DAY, THESE
RESIGNATIONS WHICH COULD SUGGEST
PEOPLE INSIDE WHO KNEW MORE THAN
ANYONE ELSE AND SAID I’M NOT
GOING TO GO ALONG WITH A COVER
UP.
UP. WHO WHITE HOUSE BUDGET OFFICIALS
RESIGNING.
RESIGNING. THEY ARE NOT NAMED BUT THAT’S
WHAT A TOP AGENCY OFFICIAL HAVE
TOLD THE HOUSE IMPEACHMENT
INVESTIGATORS AND THEN GLEN,
DONALD TRUMP, IN DEFENSE MODE
GOES TO BILL O’REILLY LATE
TODAY, BREAKING NOW AND SAYS I
DIDN’T DIRECT RUDY GIULIANI.
HE HAS A LOT OF CLIENTS.
HE’S BEEN WORKING IN UKRAINE FOR
YEARS.
YEARS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
>> I’LL TELL YOU, I THINK WE
WERE ALL SURPRISED WHEN WE
RECENTLY HEARD RUDY GIULIANI SAY
YOU KNOW WHAT, I’VE HEARD THAT
DONALD TRUMP MAY WANT TO THROW
ME UNDER THE BUS BUT GUESS WHAT,
I’VE GOT AN INSURANCE POLICY.
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO RUDY
GIULIANI IS HE GATHER UP ALL OF
THE EVIDENCE THAT NOW
CONSTITUTES THAT INSURANCE
POLICY BECAUSE WITH DONALD
TRUMP, NOW SAYING THINGS LIKE,
HEY, I DIDN’T DIRECT RUDY TO DO
ANYTHING IN UKRAINE.
YOU DON’T HAVE TO READ BETWEEN
THE LINES TO ADD.
TRUMP SAYING ANYTHING THAT WAS
DONE THAT WAS WRONG, IMPROPER,
ILLEGAL, THAT’S ON RUDY
GIULIANI.
GIULIANI. I THINK THE MESSAGE THAT IS
BEING SENT IS THAT RUDY GIULIANI
BETTER BE PREPARED TO TAKE THE
FALL.
FALL. AFTER ALL, LOOK AT TRUMP’S
FORMER LAWYER, MICHAEL COHEN.
HE’S IN JAIL FOR A CRIME THAT HE
DID IN CONCERT, IN COORDINATION
WITH DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP IS STILL SITTING IN
THE OVAL OFFICE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE TRUMP MAY BE
PREPARING TO PULL A MICHAEL
COHEN ON RUDY GIULIANI.
>> IT’S FASCINATING GLEN BECAUSE
AS YOU JUST LAID OUT, GIULIANI
MADE COMMENTS TO THAT.
SDNY THREW THE BOOK AT MICHAEL
COHEN AND HE DID COOPERATE.
HE DIDN’T HAVE THE SMOKING GUN
EVIDENCE TO GO WHAT WAS KNOWN.
IT WAS FOR THE BENEFIT OF TRUMP
BUT WHETHER OR NOT HE WENT
ROGUE, SDNY LISTED TRUMP AS
INDIVIDUAL ONE.
INDIVIDUAL ONE. HE WROTE THE CHECKS.
THEY DIDN’T GO PARTSFARTHER.
IF HE WASN’T THE PRESIDENT THEY
MIGHT HAVE.
MIGHT HAVE. GLEN, WHEN YOU SEE THIS, I WILL
SAY IN CONTEXT RUDY GIULIANI IS
A FAR MORE EXPERIENCED
PRACTICING ATTORNEY THAN MICHAEL
COHEN.
COHEN. MICHAEL COHEN CALLED HIMSELF A
FIXER.
FIXER. HE DIDN’T FILE A LOT OF MOTIONS.
JI
JI HE DID KNOW HIS WAY AROUND.
COULD HE END UP ON THE WRONG
SIDE OF THIS?
>> I THINK HE COULD.
MICHAEL COHEN’S INSURANCE
POLICY.
POLICY. HE HAD ONE AS WELL.
HE HAD THE TAPE WHERE THEY WERE
SETTING UP THE HUSH MONEY PAY
OFF THAT ENDED UP GETTING
MICHAEL COHEN A PRISON TERM
BECAUSE OF THE ILL ADVISED OLC
MEMO SAYING WE CAN’T INDIETSCT A
CRIMINAL PRESIDENT.
CRIMINAL PRESIDENT. RUDY GIULIANI MAY ALSO HAVE AN
INSURANCE POLICY.
INSURANCE POLICY. WE’LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT MEHE MEAN
BY THAT.
BY THAT. I THINK HE MAY END UP ON THE
LOSING END OF THINGS.
>> I THINK GLEN IS RIGHT BUT IF
YOU JUST LOOK AT FACTS AND WHAT
LEV PARNAS IS STARTING TO SAY.
HE’S MAKING STATEMENTS THAT MAKE
IT HARD TO BELIEVE THERE WAS
ABSOLUTELY NO DISCUSSION WITH
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. WE HAVE TO HEAR MORE BUT THE
TIMING OF CONVERSATIONS AND
PUBLIC STATEMENTS BETWEEN SAY IN
MAY WHEN WE HEAR THAT THERE’S
TRUMP LITERALLY SAID ON FOX NEWS
AFTER A DISCUSSION THAT RUDY
GIULIANI HAD MADE ABOUT HIS
PUBLIC TRIPS THAT HE WAS GOING
TO TAKE TO THE UKRAINE ON MAY
9th AND THAT HE HAD TALKED TO
TRUMP ABOUT IT AND TRUMP KNEW
ABOUT IT.
ABOUT IT. IT’S NOT AS IF THERE AREN’T
PUBLIC STATEMENTS THAT MAKE
TRUMP’S STATEMENTS JUST NOT
CREDIBLE, INCLUDING FROM TRUMP
HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. THIS HAPPENS AT MULTIPLE PERIODS
OF TIME IF WE TRACK THE TIME
LINE BETWEEN RUDY GIULIANI TRIPS
TO THE UKRAINE OR CONVERSATIONS
WITH UKRAINIANS AND TRUMP PUBLIC
STATEMENTS ABOUT THE SAME
CONSPIRACIES THAT HE’S BEEN
SPINNING THAT HE CLAIMS IS JUST
LEGITIMATE PUBLIC POLICY AT THIS
POINT.
POINT. I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
THOSE ARE ALL ONES THAT DON’T
REALLY STAND UP VERY WELL JUST
FROM A CREDIBILITY STAND POINT.
>> JOYCE, DOING THE LEGAL
ANALYSIS IN RESPONSE TO THE
GREAT POINTS MAYA MAKES REMIND
US ALL THAT IT’S 2019 AND I’LL
POINT OUT THE LEGAL DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY AND
STORMY DANIELS AND THE
DIFFERENCES ARE THAT
MISS DANIELS MATTER WAS
ESSENTIALLY A PRIVATE CIVIL
MATTER ABOUT AN NDA WHETHER IT
WAS DONE WELL OR NOT OR FAIR OR
NOT, IT WAS ABOUT ONE PERSON IN
A PRIVATE, CIVIL MATTER.
MR. ZELENSKY WAS ABOUT THE
FOREIGN POLICY, APPROPRIATED
FUNDS OF UNITED STATES CONGRESS,
THE USE OF JAVELIN MISSILES AND
$400 MILLION OF MILITARY FUNDING
AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
THE BIG DIFFERENCE BEYOND THE
OBVIOUS WOULD BE, JOYCE, THAT
WHATEVER SIDE DEAL TRUMP AND
MICHAEL COHEN HAD THAT CAME DOWN
TO A FEW TAPES AND THEIR DEBATES
PALES IN COMPARE SOON TO THEISON
NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE LOOP.
RG
RG RUDY GIULIANI APPEARS TO HAVE
EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS THE POINT
PERSON AND POMPEO DID KNOW ABOUT
IT.
IT. HOW MUCH DOES THE STACKING OF
THAT EVIDENCE MAKE THE CLAIM
SUPER INTERESTING ABOUT WHERE
HIS HEAD IS AT BUT NOT SUPER
CREDIBLE WITH REGARD TO THE CASE
AGAINST HIM?
AGAINST HIM? >> I HAVE TO CONFESS THE
COMPARISON BETWEEN PRESIDENT
ZELENSKY AND STORMY DANIELS
WASN’T WHERE I THOUGHT YOU WERE
GOING WHEN YOU STARTED OUT BUT
IT’S THE APPROPRIATE ONE.
BOTH BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF
EVIDENCE AND THE QUALITY OF THE
EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE. THE SITUATION THAT’S INVOLVED.
MAYA IS RIGHT WHEN SHE TALKS
ABOUT THE TIMELINE AND SAYS IT’S
HARD FOR TRUMP TO DISTANCE
HIMSELF FROM RUDY GIULIANI
BECAUSE OF THE WAY EVENTS SHAKE
OUT ON THE TIMELINE.
YOU AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION
I THINK ALMOST A MONTH AGO WHERE
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW INEVITABLE
IT WAS THAT TRUMP WOULD THROW
RUDY GIULIANI UNDER THE BUS.
MY SURPRISE IS HOW LONG IT SEEMS
TO HAVE TAKEN.
THERE’S A LOT OF WITNESSES WHO
ARE IN THE LOOP ON THIS.
THIS ISN’T JUST A SIDE NDA THAT
ONLY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE KNEW
ABOUT.
ABOUT. NOW INCREASINGLY AS DOCUMENTS
BEGIN TO BE RELEASED.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS
RESISTED RELEASING DOCUMENTARY
EVIDENCE BUT AMERICAN OVERSIGHT,
A PUBLIC OVERSIGHT GROUP WAS
ABLE TO OBTAIN SOME DOCUMENTS BY
COURT ORDER FROM THE STATE
DEPARTMENT AND THOSE DOCUMENTS
REVEAL VERY INTERESTING FACT
WHICH IS THAT THE ORIGINAL HOOK
UP BETWEEN RUDY GIULIANI AND
SECRETARY POMPEO WAS ASSISTED BY
THE WHITE HOUSE.
IT WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP’S
PERSONAL ASSISTANT WHO MADE SURE
THAT RUDY GIULIANI HAD GOODOMPEO
THESE LITTLE PIECES OF EVIDENCE
WILL COME TO LIGHT.
WHEN TAKEN TOGETHER THEY WILL