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Better Life. >>> AND TURNING BACK TO THE
DEVELOPING BIG NEWS TODAY.
"THE GUARDIAN" IN THE U.K. IS
REPORTING THAT TRUMP FORMER
CAMPAIGN MANAGER PAUL MANAFORT
HELD PRIVATE MEETINGS WITH
JULIAN ASSANGE SEVERAL TIMES IN
THE YEARS BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN
AND DURING THE CAMPAIGN IN 2016.
AND WE ARE JOINED NOW BY THE
AUTHOR OF "TRUMPS ENEMIES" HOW
THE DEEP STATE IS UNDERMINING
THE PRESIDENCY.
AND CORY, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE
NEW BOOK WRITTEN WITH DAVID B BOSSI.OK WRITTEN WITH DAVID B
BOSSI.
AND WERE YOU EVER AWARE BEFORE
THIS, BEFORE "THE GUARDIANS" REPORT GING THAT PAUL MANAFORT H
MET WITH JULIAN ASSANGE?
>> NO, ANDREA, I HAVE NOT BEEN
AWARE OF THAT AND I READ ABOUT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY LIKE
EVERYBODY ELSE.
EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND THERE IS A POINT AND MINOR POINT, AND PAUL MANAFORT WASOR
POINT, AND PAUL MANAFORT WAS NEVER THE MANAGER, BUT CHAIRMAN
AND THAT IS TWO DIFFERENT
TITLES.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> AND THAT BEING SAID, I HAD NO
KNOWLEDGE OF IT AND PAUL NEVER
TOLD ME OF THAT IF HE DID, THAT
AND I WILL TAKE THE REPORTING
FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH.
WE KNOW WHERE PAUL IS, AND I AM
SURE THAT WE CAN FIND HIM WHERE WE NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITHERE
WE NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM.
HIM.
AND I AM NOT SURE IF THAT REPORT
IS TRUE OR NOT, BUT I WOULD NOT
SURPRISE ME.
>> AND THE PLEA DEAL BROKEN UP
WITH BOTH SIDES AGREEING THAT IT
IS BROKEN AND AGREEING WITH THE PRESENCEN AND AGREEING WITH THE
PRESENCE PRESENTENCINGING HEARING AND ALL
OF THE REST IS THAT HE LIED AND
THE ALLEGATION FROM OTHER SIDE
IS THAT HE DID NOT LIE, AND WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH BETWEENWHO
IS TELLING THE TRUTH BETWEEN
ROBERT MUELLER AND PAUL MANAFORT
MANAFORT?
>> IF I HAD TO PUT MY MONEY ON
ONE OF THE TWO AND KNOWING PAUL
MANAFORT THE WAY I DO, I WOULD
PUT MY MONEY ON THE OTHER SIDE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE PAUL MANAFORT
IS A SERIAL LIAR AND HE LIE S AS
ABOUT THE BIG THINGS AROUND AND
THE LITTLE THING, AND PAUL IS A
GUY THAT WILL SPEND THE REST OF
HIS NATURAL LIFE IN JAIL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AND WHETHER IT ISWAY
OR ANOTHER, AND WHETHER IT IS
THE TEN YEARS THAT HE HAS PLEAD TO FOR THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT
TO KNOW, FOR THINGS THAT
TRANSPIRED PRIOR TO HIM EVER COMING TO THE THE TRUMP EVER
COMING TO THE THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION OR THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN, AND ALL OF THE THINGS
THAT PAUL HAS PLEAD GUILTY TO
AND CONVICTED OF TOOK PLACE IN THE INTERNATIONAL CONSULTINGIN
THE INTERNATIONAL CONSULTING ROLES OVERSEAS, HIS TAX EVASION,
AND THE MONEY LAUNDERING AND ALL
OF THOSE OTHER THINGS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ROLE WHEN
HE WAS SERVING AS A CHAIRMAN OF
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN FOR A 12-WEEK
WINDOW.
SO, LOOK, DID HE LIE TO THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL?
I DONT KNOW, BUT IT WOULD NOT
SURPRISE ME.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT HE SHOULD BE PARDONED?INK THAT HE SHOULD
BE PARDONED? >> I DONT THINK THAT THERE IS
ANY REASON TO PARDON HIM, BUT IT
IS A DECISION THAT THE PRESIDENT
WILL MAKE.
WILL MAKE.
AND THE CRIMES THAT PAUL HAS
PLEAD GUILTY TO, AND FOUND
GUILTY OF THROUGH A JURY TRIAL
ARE THINGS LIKE TAX EVASION, AND
MONEY LAUNDERING AND THINGS THAT
ARE FAIRLY EASY TO PROVE, BUT
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TENURE OF
HIS TIME WORKING FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.WORKING FOR THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN.
>> BUT, DO YOU THINK THAT HE, AS SOME ALLEGE, IS BLOWING UP THEAS
SOME ALLEGE, IS BLOWING UP THE DEAL OR CONTINUING TO LIE AS HAS
BEEN ALLEGED BY MUELLER, BECAUSE
HE DOES KNOW THAT HE HAS A
SAFETY NET?
CERTAINLY, THE PRESIDENT IS
EXPRESSING SYMPATHY FOR HIM NOW?
>> WELL, LOOK, I DONT THINK SO. I DONTT THINK THAT THERE IS ANY
SAFETY NET.
SAFETY NET.
LOOK, DO I THINK THAT PAUL
MANAFORT HAS BEEN TREATED
DIFFERENT
DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER PEOPLE
WHO HAVE COMMITTED SIMILAR
CRIMES, YES, I DO.
DO I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE
OPINION IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT?
NO, I DONT. BUT I HAVE NEVER HEARD IF
PRESIDENT SAY THAT HE HAD ANY
INTEREST IN PAR DOPING PAUL
MANAFORT, AND MANY OF THE CRIMES
ARE NOT JUST FEDERAL CRIMES, BUT
STATE CRIMES FOR WHICH THE
PRESIDENT CANNOT PARDON AND WITH
THAT SAID, PAUL MANAFORT IS
GOING TO GO TO JAIL AND GOING TO
JAIL FOR A LONG TIME AND THE
ISSUE EQUITY.
HAS PAUL BEEN TREAT ED INED IN T
SAME MANNER OF THE SAME WAY OF
OTHER WHITE CRIME PEOPLE.
AND SO I AM NOT A FAN OF HIS,
BUT HE HAS PLEAD GUILTY TO A
SERIES OF THE CRIMES AND FOUND
GUILTY BY A JURY OF HIS PEERS,
AND PAUL HAS BEEN IN JAIL NOW FOR THE ET BERBETTER PART OF FIV
MONTHS, AND HE WILL PROBABLY
REMAIN THERE FOR THE BETTER PART
OF A DECADE.
>> IN THE FIRST BOOK, YOU WROTE ABOUT AN INCIDENT AFTER "THE NEW
YORK TIMES" WAS GOING TO BREAK
THE STORY, AND STEVE BANNON HEARD THAT THE "TIMES" WAS GOING
TO BREAK THE STORY OF MORE THAN
$12 MILLION THAT MANAFORT HAD
TAKE EN
TAKEN IN REPRESENTING THE FORMER
LEADER OF UKRAINE AND OTHERS
CONNECT ED TO CONNECTED TO RUSH SHARKS AND THE
PRESIDENT WAS TOLD ABOUT THIS,
AND THE "TIMES" BOOK, AND YOU WROTE IN THE FIRST BOOK THAT THE
PRESIDENT SAID, I HAVE A CROOK
RUNNING MY CAMPAIGN.
>> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
LOOK, WE KNOW THAT DONALD TRUMP
IS VERY JUDICIOUS WITH HIS
MONEY, AND THE CAMPAIGN WAS RUN
VERY JUDICIOUSLY UNDER MY WATCH,
AND PAUL PRETENDED TO BE
SOMETHING THAT HE WASNT.
HE PRETEND ED TOED TO BE THIS RI ARISTOCRAT WHO HAD HOMES IN THEI
ARISTOCRAT WHO HAD HOMES IN THE HAMPTONS AND ALL OF THESE OTHER
PLACE
PLACE
PLACE, AND HE PRETENDED TO BE A CONTEMPORARY OF THE PRESIDENT A
CONTEMPORARY OF THE PRESIDENT BOTHT IN AGE AND FINANCIAL
STATURE, AND WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OUT SINCE THAT TIME, IT IS ALL A
FARCE.
FARCE. HE WAS MORTGAGED TO THE HILT,
AND BASICALLY RUNNING A PONZI SCHEME, AND HIDING MONEY OFFI
SCHEME, AND HIDING MONEY OFF SHORE, AND WHEN THAT WAS
DISCOVER AND UNCOVERED BY THE
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND OTHER REPORTS PAUL BASICALLY WAS FIRED
AFTER THAT, BECAUSE WHAT WE KNOW
IS THAT PAUL TRIED TO GET MONEY
FROM THE CAMPAIGN AND I HAVE
WROTE ABOUT IT IN THE BOOK, THAT PAUL TRIED TO GET MONEY FROM THE
CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN.
HE VOLUNTEERED ON THE CAMPAIGN, BUT HE FOUND OTHER WAYS TO TRY,
BUT HE FOUND OTHER WAYS TO TRY TO GET THE CAMPAIGN TO COVER HIS
EXPENSES, BECAUSE HE WAS
BASICALLY BROKE.
>> I HAVE TO ASK YOU IN "TRUMPS
ENEMIES" YOU WRITE ABOUT SOME OF
THE PEOPLE THAT YOU BELIEVE ARE
UNDERCUTTING THE PRESIDENT.
AND WHAT IS YOUR MAIN BEEF WITH
THE CHIEF OF STAFF JOHN KELLY? >> WELL, JOHN AND I HAVE TWOY?
>> WELL, JOHN AND I HAVE TWO
VERY DIFFERENT MANAGE STYLES A AND THE PRESIDENT IS BEST LIKE
WE SAW LAST NIGHTT IN FRONT OF
THE PUBLIC AND TALKING TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE DIRECTLY, AND
OTHERS BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE
BEST WHEN THEY ARE PROTKTING THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM THE PRESIDENT, AND I FUNDAMENTALLY
DISAGREE WITH THAT.
AND IN THE BOOK "LET TRUMP BE
TRUMP" I SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO BE
WHO HE IS, AND IT SEEMS THAT
EVERY PERSON WHO COMES IN, NIN
THE SENIOR CAPACITY AROUND THE
PRESIDENT, WANTS TO REDEFINE HOW
HE DOES THINGS WHEN HIS WAY OF
DOING IT HAS WORKED WHETHER IT
IS IN NEW YORK REAL ESTATE OR
TELEVISION OR IN THE WORLD OF
POLITIC, AND SO, LET DONALD TRUMP GO OUT THE TALK TO THE
PEOPLE, AND TALK TO THE PRESS
AND I THINK THAT YOU WOULD LIKE
TO SEE HIM TALKING TO PRESS AS
MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT IS WHERE I BELIEVE WE HAVE AT IS
WHERE I BELIEVE WE HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE OF
OPINION.
OPINION.
AND THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE ALWAYS SURROUNDED ABOUT WHAT IS
BEST FOR THE PRESIDENT AND THAT
IS ALWAYS PUTTING HIM MORE
FORWARD FACING.
>> DID YOU AND A KELLY ACTUALLY
COME INTO A PHYSICAL SITUATION
WHERE HE GRABBED YOU OR YOU
GRABBED HIM OUTSIDE OF THE OVAL
OFFICE WHERE THE SECRET SERVICE
HAD TO INTERVENE, AND REPORTED
BY MAGGIE HABERMAN AND OTHERS?
>> WELL, THE SECRET SERVICE DID
NOT HAVE TO INTERVENE.
AND MY CONVERSATIONS WITH JOHN
ARE FORTHRIGHT AND VERY SIMILAR
TO THOSE THAT HE HAS HAD WITH
THE PRESIDENT, AND THEY ARE HEATED AND PRIVATE ANGSDLY KEEP
THEM PRIVATE, BUT NO QUESTION
THAT JOHN KNOWS THAT I AM A
STEADFAST SUPPORTER OF THE PRESIDENT.SUPPORTER OF THE
PRESIDENT.
EXTERNALLY, WLIT IS ON
TELEVISION OR OP-EDS, AND IF I
HAVE A DISAGREEMENT AND I DONT
BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
BEING TOLD WHAT HE NEEDS TO
KNOW, THEN I AM WILLING TO LET
PEOPLE KNOW THAT, AND SOMETIMES THAT BOTHERS PEOPLE.D SOMETIMES
THAT BOTHERS PEOPLE.
>> SHOULD KELLY BE FIRED AN
REPLACE AND IF SO BY WHOM?
>> YOU KNOW, I DONT KNOW.
THAT IS CLEARLY THE DECISION
THAT THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO
MAKE AS HE STARTS TO LOOK
FORWARD TO THE OWN RE-ELECTION EFFORT IN 2020, I WANT HIM TON
EFFORT IN 2020, I WANT HIM TO HAVE THE BEST POLITICAL TEAM
AROUND HIM, AND HISTORICALLY
SPEAKING WHEN YOU SEE THE CHIEFS OF STAFFS LIKE RON BAKER ANDIEFS
OF STAFFS LIKE RON BAKER AND RAHM E
RAHM E RAHM EMANUEL, THEY CHIEF
COMPETENCY WAS UNDERSTANDING THE
POLITICAL CLIMATE, AND JOHN KELLY IS A CHIEF OF STAFF WHO
UNDERSTANDS THE POLICY AND
PROCEED PROCEDURE WHICH WAS NECESSARIES
FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT GOING
INTO THE RE-ELECTION EFFORT FOR
THE PRESIDENT, I WOULD THINK
THAT HE WANTS TO MAKE CHANGES NOT JUST IN THE ADMINISTRATION,
BUT ALSO AT THE CABINET LEVEL.
>> WHAT ABOUT NICK AYERS?
>> VERY CAPABLE INDIVIDUAL, AND
I KNOW NICK WELL AND I HAVE
WORKED WITH HIM.
NICK IS A VERY COMPETENT
INDIVIDUAL WHO UNDERSTANDS
POLITICS AND POLICY.
HE IS WISE BEYOND HIS YEARS, AND
IF HE IS CHOSEN, AND THAT IS THE
PRESIDENTS DECISION, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT ANYBODY THAT
THE PRESIDENT CHOOSES INCLUDING
JOHN KELLY IF THE PRESIDENT